#457318 - 09-11-09 11:31 AM
November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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http://www.cookpolitical.com/node/4787
Charlie Cook: November 2010 'out of control' for Democrats
For those of you not addicted to the 1:00pm EDT daily release of Gallup's three-night moving average tracking poll, President Obama's job approval rating in both their August 16-18 and August 17-19 averages was just 51 percent, the lowest level of his presidency. The latter sampling showed his disapproval up to 42 percent, matching his all-time low hit in the August 15-17 tracking poll. The 51% job approval rating is identical to two other polls released in recent days conducted by NBC News and the Pew Research Center. Today’s regression-based trend estimate computed by our friends at Pollster.com from all major national surveys show an approval rating of 50.7 percent and disapproval of 43.7 percent.
These data confirm anecdotal evidence, and our own view, that the situation this summer has slipped completely out of control for President Obama and Congressional Democrats. Today, The Cook Political Report's Congressional election model, based on individual races, is pointing toward a net Democratic loss of between six and 12 seats, but our sense, factoring in macro-political dynamics is that this is far too low.
Many veteran Congressional election watchers, including Democratic ones, report an eerie sense of déjà vu, with a consensus forming that the chances of Democratic losses going higher than 20 seats is just as good as the chances of Democratic losses going lower than 20 seats. A new Gallup poll that shows Congress' job disapproval at 70 percent among independents should provide little solace to Democrats. In the same poll, Congressional approval among independents is at 22 percent, with 31 percent approving overall, and 62 percent disapproving.
That all of this is happening against a backdrop of an economy that appears to be rebounding and a resurgent stock market underscores how much the President's and his party's legislative agenda have contributed to these poor poll numbers. We believe it would be a mistake to underestimate the impact that this mood will have on Members of Congress of both parties when they return to Washington in September, if it persists through the end of the Congressional recess.
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#457319 - 09-11-09 11:35 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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GW in Ohio
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Oh, gosh.....
As a newly-minted Democrat I'd better start worrying because Frank has posted a propaganda piece written from a (hopeful) right-wing wacko perspective.
Worry...worry...worry...
How's that, Frank?
All this worryin' builds up an appetite. I'm breakin' for lunch.
I hope Obama's poll numbers don't slip too badly while I'm at lunch....
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#457331 - 09-11-09 12:00 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Just think, the next election might not be scammed by Acorn. The Rs are asking for a complete investigation of that org. considering there is about 8 billion earmarked for it.
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#457333 - 09-11-09 12:06 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Frank
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Oh, gosh.....
As a newly-minted Democrat I'd better start worrying because Frank has posted a propaganda piece written from a (hopeful) right-wing wacko perspective.
Charlie Cook? A right-wing wacko?
How do you feel about Nate Silver? Fivethirtyeight.com? Is he a right-wing wacko?
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20090907_Democrats_gird_for_midterm_losses_next_year.html
Democratic pollster: We will lose 20-50 House seats
National Democratic Party leaders are banking on success in several congressional districts in the Philadelphia area to help withstand the expected losses of House seats in other parts of the country during next year's midterm election.
"This is a region where we're on offense, while we're going to be on defense in a lot of areas of the country, working hard to hold the line," said U.S. Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Strategists from both parties are targeting open seats in Pennsylvania's Sixth District, where Republican Rep. Jim Gerlach is leaving to run for governor, and its Seventh District, which Democratic Rep. Joe Sestak is vacating to run for the U.S. Senate.
In addition, nine-term Rep. Mike Castle (R., Del.) is said to be considering leaving his state's sole House seat to run for the Senate. Democrats have recruited popular former Lt. Gov. John Carney to run for the seat and like their chances in a state that has been trending toward their party. Nationally, though, the analysts' consensus is that Democrats - who now hold a 256-178 House majority, with one vacancy - are in for a rough ride in 2010, on track for moderate to heavy losses in House races.
They cite historical precedent - a president's party usually gets punished in midterms - plus the summerlong health-care ruckus at congressional town-hall meetings, and poll findings that President Obama's approval rating has declined amid concerns about the proposed overhaul, the economy, and the growing budget deficit.
This week could mark a turning point in the health-care debate as lawmakers return and Obama addresses a joint session of Congress to lay out his objectives in more detail. "The situation this summer has slipped completely out of control for President Obama and congressional Democrats," leading analyst Charlie Cook wrote last month in his respected newsletter, the Cook Political Report. He predicted Democrats could lose 20 House seats if current trends continue.
Statistician Nate Silver, a Democrat who runs the Web site FiveThirtyEight.com, predicts his party will lose 20 to 50 seats next year.
Alan Abramowitz, a professor of political science at Emory University, forecasts that Democrats are likely to lose at least 15 seats, and possibly as many as 40, based on results since World War II, Obama's approval rating, and a recent increase in voters who told pollsters they intended to vote Republican for Congress next year. "We don't know what the national political climate will be like in the fall of 2010," Abramowitz cautioned in a Sept. 3 report for the University of Virginia's Center for Politics.
He and most other analysts say it is highly unlikely, however, that the GOP would take the 40 seats that would restore them to control of the House. ... "Looking at history, the first midterm with a new president is always a tough election for the party with the White House," Van Hollen said in an interview. "We've been warning our members from Day One that they'd better work extra hard and they'd better be prepared." ...
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#457337 - 09-11-09 12:11 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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GW in Ohio
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All I know, Frank, is that my little weasel of a congressman, Pat Tiberi by name, is finally getting a Democratic challenger who can raise as much campaign money as he can.
The little weasel is goin' down, and we're gonna get a Democrat in a district formerly represented by John Kasich that's been Republican as long as anyone can remember.
Tiberi was a Bush toady for 8 years and he's a particularly obnoxious little rodent.
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#457379 - 09-11-09 01:06 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Frank
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It's another republican boogey man. They have lots of them. There's also WMD in Iraq. Lots of people have died over that one, just like with their healthcare boogeyman. They're killers and they're into human experimentation.
OhMy, the Democratic Party has a long and sordid history of
medical experimentation on African-Americans,
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lynching African-Americans,
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destroying African-American communities,
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assassination campaigns.
Thousands were killed. Hundreds of them suffered slow, painful, brutal deaths.
Most were innocent.
Consistent with that long and sordid history, Democratic leaders in Congress such as Nancy Pelosi did not object when they were fully briefed on the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques in September 2002, before those techniques were used.
How could Pelosi object? Compared to what the Democrats had done in the past, waterboarding three known terrorists was pretty tame stuff.
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#457387 - 09-11-09 01:16 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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#457391 - 09-11-09 01:21 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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GW in Ohio
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BuffGal: The woman holding that sign looks like someone who will serve Kraft macaroni and cheese to her family for dinner and congratulate herself afterward.
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#457400 - 09-11-09 01:32 PM
Re: November 2010 Disaster for Mengele Republicans
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Looks to me like she's got Mexican in her...or maybe it's ME descent...
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#457415 - 09-11-09 01:48 PM
Re: November 2010 Disaster for Mengele Republicans
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All I could think when I saw those pics was "Morans."
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#457417 - 09-11-09 01:50 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Frank
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Like Jim Moran? Or Art Moran?
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#457420 - 09-11-09 01:54 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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"...Looks to me like she's got Mexican in her...or maybe it's ME descent... ..."
Looks like an old white woman to me. Probably Southern.
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#457436 - 09-11-09 02:42 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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BuffaloGal
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Like Jim Moran? Or Art Moran?
I don't know - are they Republican "intellectuals"?
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#457443 - 09-11-09 02:55 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Frank
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Jim Moran is a Democratic Congressman from Virginia who's under investigation by the House Ethics Committee for a pay to play scheme.
Art Moran is the Democratic Party chairman in Scranton, PA who was arrested for public drunkenness a few days ago. Notorious for asking the arresting officer, "Do you recognize the name? Do you know who I am?"
 
http://www.scrantontimes.com/cm/2.1188/n...firstComment=60
Democratic Party chairman of Scranton cited for public drunkenness
The chairman of the city Democratic Party was charged with public drunkenness after allegedly intervening in a police investigation of an assault at the Parker House bar late Wednesday. "Do you recognize the name? Do you know who I am?" the party chairman, Art Moran, asked Patrolman Robert Hegedus, according to an affidavit filed by the officer.
Officer Hegedus, who reported smelling alcohol on Mr. Moran's breath, didn't recognize him and asked, "Should I?"
"Remember my name," Mr. Moran replied, the officer reported.
Mr. Moran, 47, a former Scranton school director, denied in an interview Friday he tried to intimidate the officer, claimed he reacted out of fear related to his political rivalry with Mayor Chris Doherty, and said he plans to challenge the citation. "It's not a power play," Mr. Moran said of his conversation with the officer.
Mr. Doherty said Friday he wasn't briefed on the incident. "I never comment on a police matter," he said.
The affidavit states Mr. Moran had tried to explain the behavior of Shannon M. Burns, 31, of Scranton, whom police arrested and charged with punching Kimberly Bednash in the face that night in the bar, and kicking Officer Hegedus in the groin. Miss Bednash was not seriously injured, police said. Police also charged Ms. Burns' boyfriend, John Williams, 32, of Scranton, with disorderly conduct and public drunkenness.
The incident would have been over, but Mr. Moran, who went back into the bar after his name-recognition talk with the patrolman, came back outside, according to the affidavit. Told to go back in the bar, Mr. Moran assumed "a defensive posturing while staring this officer in the eyes" and making a "hmmph or huff sound."
"If you continue to act like this I have approval through my boss to arrest you," the officer reportedly told Mr. Moran.
"Ha! I'll bet you do!" Mr. Moran replied, according to the affidavit. At that point, the officer arrested Mr. Moran because "his behavior was aggressive" and he feared Mr. Moran's "intoxicated state" would result in injuries to himself or others. Mr. Moran was taken handcuffed to police headquarters where he was cited and released.
Mr. Moran denied to The Times-Tribune that he was drunk, saying he had two or three beers in 45 minutes. He also denied saying "remember my name," or acting menacingly. "The police officer believes it's justified," Mr. Moran said of his citation. "It'll be up to the magistrate's court. ... I would prefer this would quietly go away, but it's obviously not going to."
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#457447 - 09-11-09 03:00 PM
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Gary Skoien, Former Cook County GOP Chair, Beaten By Wife After Being Found With Prostitutes: Police Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/gary-skoien-former-cook-c_n_174128.html
AP/The Huffington Post | March 11, 2009 08:15 PM
The former chairman of the Cook County Republican Party denies he was with two prostitutes when his wife allegedly attacked him over the weekend.
Palatine Township GOP committeeman Gary Skoien (SKOY'-ehn) said Wednesday that two female friends were at his Inverness home around 1 a.m. Sunday when his wife assaulted him.
A report filed by a Barrington-Inverness police officer says Eni Skoien found her husband in the children's playroom with two prostitutes. But Skoien disputes the report and says he's working to correct it.
The report says Eni Skoien allegedly swung a toy guitar at her husband and punched him. Police say she's charged with misdemeanor domestic battery and a 21-day restraining order was issued.
Gary Skoien isn't charged with a crime.
Skoien is best known for placing a $10,000 bounty on Mayor Daley four years ago, offering the money to anyone who could provide information leading to the mayor's conviction on corruption charges. The ploy got Skoien fired from his job, booted from the Metra board and almost cost him his seat as party chairman.
Though Skoien strongly denied his wife's account, Republican candidates are fleeing the scene:
As word of the incident got around local political circles, two candidates on the Republican slate for Palatine Township board asked the Daily Herald to remove Skoien from their lists of endorsements.
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#457456 - 09-11-09 03:17 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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send obama packing
Edited by tlbshow2007 (09-11-09 03:18 PM)
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#457468 - 09-11-09 03:35 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Frank
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Hill Rez is clearly desperate. His party favorites are getting their asses handed to them in the next election, so he wants to change the subject.
He wants to change the subject so bad.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aK2kdOe4lqYU
Corzine, Deeds Weakness Reflects Obama's Lower Rating
President Barack Obama won't be on the ballot in New Jersey and Virginia when those states hold the nation's only governor's races in November. His policies likely will be. The elections offer a test of whether the electricity Obama generated with voters during his campaign will power other Democrats.
Obama has been campaigning for both Governor Jon Corzine, 62, of New Jersey and Creigh Deeds, 51, a state senator running for governor in Virginia. The president’s push for health-care legislation and unprecedented federal spending on the worst financial crisis in 70 years has created headaches for his fellow Democrats, who both trail their opponents in the polls.
"The political bounce on everything that's happened this summer has made people much more cautious, much more conservative and fearful of change," said Ross Baker, a professor of political science at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey.
Support for Obama and his policies has eroded over the summer. The percentage of Americans who disapprove of his handling of health care has jumped to 50 percent from 29 percent in April, an ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted Aug. 13 to 17 found.
Poor Proxies
While the results of these two races will be read as a referendum on Obama, outcomes in off-year elections have proven to be poor proxies for national trends. Virginia has held off- year elections since 1851, New Jersey began in 1847.
Since 1977, Virginians have elected only governors representing the party not occupying the White House. In the 11 races since 1965, there have only been two contests -- in 1993 and 2005 -- where the results presaged the midterm outcomes the next year. "There's going to be that tendency to mix up a referendum on what's happening now to what's going to happen a year from now," said Nathan Gonzales, political editor of the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report in Washington.
In New Jersey, Corzine's woes owe largely to state-specific issues like higher property taxes, failing schools, crumbling roads and corruption, said Baker. "These are perennial problems," he said. Republican challenger Christopher Christie, 46, a former U.S. attorney, blames Corzine for the state's financial woes that Corzine says are part of a national downturn.
Virginia Contest
In Virginia, Deeds trails former Attorney General Bob McDonnell, 55, the Republican nominee, in statewide polls, and hasn’t stirred enthusiasm among African-American voters, a core part of the Democratic voter base.
Analysts say both races could change quickly based on developments unrelated to national issues. For instance, McDonnell may be hurt by disclosures Aug. 30 in the Washington Post that his master's thesis published in 1989 described working women as "detrimental" to family, and was critical of women's rights, including equal pay and contraception.
Of the two races, the results in Virginia are more likely to telegraph national sentiment, said Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. There are "two relatively little-known candidates who are bland moderates, and that encourages the message-sending of voting."
New Jersey is more likely to be a referendum on the incumbent Corzine, Sabato said. A Quinnipiac University Poll released Tuesday found 60 percent of New Jersey voters disapprove of Corzine's job performance. Corzine is 10 percentage points behind Christie in the poll, conducted Aug. 25 to 30.
Financial Acumen
Corzine, co-chairman of New York-based Goldman, Sachs & Co. from 1994 to 1999, promised in his 2005 campaign to use his financial acumen to right the state’s finances. Moody's Investor's Service on Aug. 4 cut its outlook on $31 billion in New Jersey debt to negative from stable, after the recession hurt revenue and prompted Corzine’s administration to deplete its reserves.
A corruption scandal that led to the arrests of 44 people, many of them Democrats, has also become an issue. Fifty percent of New Jersey voters associate Democrats more with corruption, while 16 percent identify Republicans, the Quinnipiac Poll found.
Still, New Jersey voters haven't elected a Republican since Christine Todd Whitman in 1997, and Democrats also hold a 650,000-vote registration advantage. Only two incumbent New Jersey governors have lost since 1947. Both had legislatures where control was divided between the two parties.
Independents
In Virginia, the Obama effect is hurting Deeds among independents. A Washington Post poll conducted Aug. 11 to 14 gives McDonnell a 54 to 39 percent lead over Deeds. In June a Survey USA poll gave McDonnell just a four-point edge. Deeds campaign manager Joe Abbey said independents are switching in part because they are unhappy with Obama's policies on health care and spending. "It's rough," Abbey said. "The White House has been very engaged since the second he became the nominee," Abbey said. "Clearly they understand how to win in Virginia, but it's a little different" this year because of the shift in independent support. ...
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#457480 - 09-11-09 03:46 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Hill Rez is clearly desperate. His party favorites are getting their asses handed to them in the next election, so he wants to change the subject.
He wants to change the subject so bad.
Really? Art Moran is one of my "party favorites"? I just like posting the Gary Skoien saga because it gets your size 48 panties in such a twist.
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#457483 - 09-11-09 03:53 PM
Re: November 2010 Disaster for Mengele Republicans
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Wow. Those are some big unders.
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#457484 - 09-11-09 03:54 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Funny how Frank keeps talking about success in the next election. Always "next year we'll moider da bums"......
Why doesn't he talk about the last election? Remember his predictions for "the next election" early in 2008? How did those work out?
Ah well, maybe the "next" election. Go with that, Frank.
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#457485 - 09-11-09 03:54 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-j...er_jim_galloway
Charlie Cook says that Harry Reid is in trouble, but Joe Wilson isn't
-- Republicans are crowing that Charlie Cook and his team have re-classified Senate Majority Harry Reid's 2010 re-election bid as a "toss-up." Writes senior editor Jennifer Duffy in the publicly available portion of the subscription-based Web site: "Anemic poll numbers for the incumbent and a deteriorating political environment for Democrats nationally combine to make Reid one of the most vulnerable Democratic incumbents seeking re-election in 2010. And, that's without knowing who Republicans will nominate to challenge him."
-- Then there's the topic of Joe Wilson, the South Carolina congressman enduring a crush of criticism for giving President Barack Obama that "You lie!" shout-out during last night's address. Says Cook:
"Some news accounts have noted South Carolina GOP Rep. Joe Wilson faces a 'tough race' in 2010. Not so fast – this conservative seat remains relatively secure for the GOP, even after Wilson’s outburst. After all, Democrat Rob Miller’s 46 percent showing in 2008 was largely attributable to Obama's strong 45 percent in the state, a factor Miller won't enjoy again. ..."
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#457486 - 09-11-09 03:55 PM
Re: November 2010 Disaster for Mengele Republicans
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Isn't Charlie Cook one of those republican preverts?
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#457488 - 09-11-09 04:12 PM
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Funny how Frank keeps talking about success in the next election.
Don't stop thinking about tomorrow
Don't stop, it'll soon be here
It'll be here, better than before
Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone
Oooooo don't you look back
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#457501 - 09-11-09 04:35 PM
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Oh God...it sings, too... Is there no end to the madness..?
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#457520 - 09-11-09 05:19 PM
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Chris Dodd Is In Deep Trouble
"14 months out from election day, Democratic Senator Chris Dodd is in a heap of trouble. According to Rasmussen Reports, not only is he below 50%, he is below 40%, and his likely GOP opponent, former Representative Rob Simmons, is almost at 50%. Dodd trails 49%-39%. Dodd trails former ambassador Tom Foley 43%-40%. He leads state Senator Sam Caliguri 43%-40%, and venture capitalist Peter Schiff 42%-40%. His statewide favorables stand at 40%; his unfavorables stand at a whopping 59%
To put things in perspective, this is only slightly better than where Rick Santorum was in 2006. A September Strategic Vision (R) poll had it at 52%-38% Casey; Keystone had it at 50%-37% Casey, and Quinnipiac had it at 52%-34% Casey. Santorum lost by 18 points.
There's a long way to go to election day, and Connecticut is a deep blue state right now. But this has to be considered at least a "Slight Lean Republican" right now, if not a "Lean Republican." Very few incumbents come back from numbers like this."
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#457571 - 09-11-09 09:04 PM
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Oh God...it sings, too... Is there no end to the madness..?
Get used to it. When I'm happy, I sing out loud. Entire songs. All four verses.
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#457584 - 09-11-09 10:10 PM
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Is there no end to the madness..?
Do you really want an answer to that? Cause it may just drive you to suicide.
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#457603 - 09-12-09 01:20 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Oh God...it sings, too... Is there no end to the madness..? Get used to it. When I'm happy, I sing out loud. Entire songs. All four verses.
Please rise for your national anthem...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5O8Yg47lXA
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#457608 - 09-12-09 01:36 AM
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#457611 - 09-12-09 01:40 AM
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I get a kick out of you, L.A. Red - your bitterness is so subtle and nuanced....
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#457612 - 09-12-09 02:06 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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L.A. Red
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Let's just say I have trust issues.
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#457638 - 09-12-09 09:11 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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h.rapbrown
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Shouldn't the official language of America be Chickasaw, Sioux, Tuscarora, or Choctaw?
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#457642 - 09-12-09 09:14 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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WalkerTom
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"...Let's just say I have trust issues...."
DING!DING!DING! Post of The Day!
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#458639 - 09-14-09 10:32 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Gag Reflex
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h.rap: "Shouldn't the official language of America be Chickasaw, Sioux, Tuscarora, or Choctaw?"
No, I think it should be a language that was written, not just spoken. Call me old-fashioned, but I'd like to have an official language that could be read, as well as spoken, since I've gotten attached to the alphabet.
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#458644 - 09-14-09 10:43 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Gag Reflex
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Election trouble brewing for House Dems in 2010
By BETH FOUHY Sep 13, 12:01 PM (ET)
NEW YORK (AP) - Despite sweeping Democratic successes in the past two national elections, continuing job losses and President Barack Obama's slipping support could lead to double-digit losses for the party in next year's congressional races and may even threaten their House control.
Fifty-four new Democrats were swept into the House in 2006 and 2008, helping the party claim a decisive majority as voters soured on a Republican president and embraced Obama's message of hope and change. Many of the new Democrats are in districts carried by Republican John McCain in last year's presidential contest; others are in traditional swing districts that have proved tough for either party to hold.
From New Hampshire to Nevada, House Democrats also will be forced to defend votes on Obama's $787 billion economic recovery package and on energy legislation viewed by many as a job killer in an already weak economy.
Add to that the absence of Obama from the top of the ticket, which could reduce turnout among blacks, liberals and young people, and the likelihood of a highly motivated GOP base confused by the president's proposed health care plan and angry at what they consider reckless spending and high debt.
Taken together, it could be the most toxic environment for Democrats since 1994, when the party lost 34 House incumbents and 54 seats altogether. Democrats currently have a 256-178 edge in the House, with one vacancy. Republicans would have to pick up 40 seats to regain control.
"When you have big sweeps as Democrats did in 2006 and 2008, inevitably some weak candidates get elected. And when the environment gets even moderately challenging, a number of them are going to lose," said Jack Pitney, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College in California..."
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#458664 - 09-14-09 11:10 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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GW in Ohio
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Registered: 12-14-01
Posts: 19992
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Gaggy: It's nice to hear from you. You should drop by more often.
As to the content of your post, I think it's a real open question which party will benefit from the 2010 elections. Normally, the party out of power gains seats in the House. But the Republicans have been behaving like such horses asses, opposing President Obama reflexively in order to discredit him, clouding the health care issue with disinformation, and then embarrassing themselves on the House floor when Joe Wilson called the President a liar during an address to Congress.
In addition to my own House race, in which I'm rooting for my weasel congressman to go down, I'll be following the race in Joe Wilson's district.
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#458705 - 09-14-09 12:30 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Gag Reflex
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GW: "I'll be following the race in Joe Wilson's district. "
How come you're not looking at Harry Reid's contest? He called President Bush a liar, and, unlike Wilson, has refused to apologize.
Reid: "President Bush is a liar. He betrayed Nevada and he betrayed the country."
Reid: "I don't know if that rhetoric is appropriate. That's how I feel, and that's how I felt. I think to take that issue, Tim, to take the most poisonous substance known to man, plutonium, and haul 70,000 tons of it across the highways and railways of this country, past schools and churches and people's businesses is wrong. It's something that is being forced upon this country by the utilities, and it's wrong. And we have to stop it. And people may not like what I said, but I said it, and I don't back off one bit."
Oh, that's right, it's easy to explain why Wilson is important, and Reid is not... you're a partisan phony, GW.
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#458725 - 09-14-09 01:18 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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KLATTU
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In addition to my own House race, in which I'm rooting for my weasel congressman to go down, I'll be following the race in Joe Wilson's district.
and why is that?
It's been clearly and irrefutably documented that Obama was lying. ( Unless you want to change the narrative to " Obama was to stupid to figure out that the bill would cover ilegals")
I can't figure out why you liberals think the PRESIDENT OF THEEUNITED STAES LYING RIGHT INTHE FACE TO CONGREES is ok, but some Congressman jumping up and calling him a liar is not.
Again, if only the "watchdog" MSM would call the little community organizer on his litany of lies, maybe Joe Wilson wouldn't have to do it.
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#458742 - 09-14-09 02:48 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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GW in Ohio
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Registered: 12-14-01
Posts: 19992
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
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Gaggy and ProudLoony: You may "think" Obama is lying about something when he addresses a joint session of Congress, just as I "thought" Mr. Bush was lying a number of times when he addressed Congress.
But you keep it to yourself. Joe Wilson did not. It was kind of a shocking breach of protocol that has been in place for a long time.
Aren't you conservative guys supposed to be high on traditional values? Keeping your fucking cake hole shut while the president is addressing Congress is one of those traditional values that we all thought was sacrosanct.
Joe Wilson never made my radar scope before this. I now see that he is one of those Limbaugh clones (clowns?)....the kind that didn't care if McCain lost last year, because "he wasn't a real Republican."
Of course, the same ones who thought that way are now having to deal with the thought: "Hey, there's a black guy in the White House. How the %#$@!&*$# did that happen?"
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#458743 - 09-14-09 02:58 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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loosecannon
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Keeping your fucking cake hole shut while the president is addressing Congress is one of those traditional values that we all thought was sacrosanct.
that sounds more like the vainly PC left.
But unfortunately Obama promised change, and Wilson delivered on that promise.
Besides your panties are in a bunch anyway, the dems booed Bush twice during addresses to a JSC.
The idiotic protocol was meaningless in the first place since all our presidents are drawn off the bottom of the barrel and are crooks since about 1965 or 1985.
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#458744 - 09-14-09 03:37 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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GW in Ohio
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Registered: 12-14-01
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Keeping your fucking cake hole shut while the president is addressing Congress is one of those traditional values that we all thought was sacrosanct.
that sounds more like the vainly PC left. But unfortunately Obama promised change, and Wilson delivered on that promise. Besides your panties are in a bunch anyway, the dems booed Bush twice during addresses to a JSC. The idiotic protocol was meaningless in the first place since all our presidents are drawn off the bottom of the barrel and are crooks since about 1965 or 1985.
Cripes, LC, you're not too fussy about what kind of change you get, are you? (Castro, Stalin and Hitler all promised "change," as I recall. You okay with their changes?)
The only president in recent years that I'd describe as being scraped off the bottom of the barrel was George W. Bush.
And finally, protocols are what define us as a civilized society. Aren't you one of the guys who thought Serena Williams violated the protocols of tennis?
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#458750 - 09-14-09 04:04 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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KLATTU
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Registered: 09-07-07
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Gaggy and ProudLoony: You may blah blah blah nothing air balah blah nothing nothing fluff air blather...tired canard....race card ..
Bottom line_> You excuse a PRESIDENT blatantly lying. I guees the old saying is true. The ends justify the means
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#458753 - 09-14-09 04:12 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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GW in Ohio
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ProudLib: You've accused just about everyone here at the Grill of "lying" at one time or another (including me). In the current Washington political scene, as well as the Grill, calling someone a liar usually means you don't agree with what they've said.
I've never cared for calling my political opponents liars, and now you right wingers have abused the term to the point where it's lost all meaning.
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#458754 - 09-14-09 04:14 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for the Democrats
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Zulif Bystander
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The rwns have given new meaning to the word.
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#458759 - 09-14-09 04:20 PM
Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Zulif Bystander
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It would be great if Wilson got sent back to SC.
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#458760 - 09-14-09 04:20 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Zulif Bystander
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He and Mark could start a business.
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#458761 - 09-14-09 04:20 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Zulif Bystander
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David Vitter would probably avail himself of their services.
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