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#502319 - 01-24-10 02:32 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race ** [Re: Frank]
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#502321 - 01-24-10 02:35 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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o one willbe able to discount the teabaggers any longer, or risk being seen as idiots.
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#502323 - 01-24-10 02:37 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Catz]
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How they laughed after NY-23.

They're not laughing now.
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#502325 - 01-24-10 02:41 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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It will be a cold day in hell when democrats rule the Congress and Senate again.
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#502342 - 01-24-10 03:28 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Catz]
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#502518 - 01-25-10 10:09 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: tlbshow2007]
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...cross-the-usa/1

Scott Brown's victory ripples across USA


The fallout continues from Sen.-elect Scott Brown's improbable victory in Massachusetts and is being felt down to the state and local level. That's a theme running through today's top political stories:

New York Times: Brown's win has spurred a number of Republicans to reconsider running in their home states. The Times says "half a dozen Republicans have expressed interest in challenging Democrats in House races in New York, Pennsylvania and potentially Massachusetts." Rep. John Boozman, R-Ark., told the Times he is considering challenging Sen. Blanche Lincoln, one of the most vulnerable Democrats. "If the people of Massachusetts are upset, you can imagine how the people of Arkansas feel," he says.

Washington Post: Brown's victory also has Republicans and their allies thinking they can win control of state legislative bodies in 2010 -- which, in turn, can help the GOP control the redistricting process and lead to more congressional victories in the future. "Targeting 35 to 40 state legislative races this cycle could translate into 25 to 32 U.S. House seats over the next five cycles," says former Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie.

Los Angeles Times: The "tea party" activists credited with helping Brown win his Senate seat is "far from a well-disciplined army." Its lack of national unity has been evident in its "internal disputes, turf wars and lawsuits," and may undercut its power.

Philadelphia Inquirer: Sorry seems to be the hardest word, but when you are running for reelection it's what you have to do. Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., called Rep. Michelle Bachmann, R-Minn., and apologized for telling her to "act like a lady" when the two clashed on a talk show last week. The incident gives Specter's opponents the chance to bring up the Clarence Thomas hearings and his harsh questioning of Anita Hill.

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#502523 - 01-25-10 10:18 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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Catz: "It will be a cold day in hell when democrats rule the Congress and Senate again."

No, it won't. History tells us there will be ups and down for each party. You sound like cb, who claimed it would be "40 years in the wilderness" for the Repubs after the 2006 elections.

Each party will ebb and flow, as they have always done.


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#502529 - 01-25-10 10:31 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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I saw something that stated that if the independent switch from 2008 to 2009 remains consistent in 2010 then the Democrats would lose well over 100 seats. Now given that there are a lot of safe seats that would never switch (Barney Frank, for example) this does not mean that the Democrats would lose that many seat. It is just an indication that taking the House certainly a possibility.
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#502537 - 01-25-10 10:40 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: AMDG]
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Republicans need 40 seats, net, to take back the House.


I HAVE read wild enthusiasm about maybe 50. If this continues --- Ooobop doing NO good stuff for the country, nothing anyone actually WANTS, and unemployment and war and bad stuff continuing to oppress the people, I don't think the Dems have good prospects.

It was interesting Obama said on that TV program, apparently, that he'd "been so focused on getting things done" --- well, what did he get done???? As far as really anyone can tell, he's done NOTHING except escalate an unpopular war, oh, and get a Nobel Peace Prize for escalating the war. [Sigh]

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#502539 - 01-25-10 10:42 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Phebe]
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Who's Ooobop..?
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#502540 - 01-25-10 10:42 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Phebe]
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The news and comment today is that if Bernanke goes, the economy will crash.

I don't know about that, I wouldn't care --- I mean, hey, it already crashed once while Bernanke was there, so how great is he, you know? But it's something to bear in mind if they DO get rid of Bernanke.

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#502541 - 01-25-10 10:42 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: AMDG]
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I think Senate seats are more at risk (on a percentage basis) than House seats, which are often seats-for-life.

Lincoln, Nelson, Reid, etc.

In my state, New York, I don't think the Gillibrand seat is up for grabs, though I would vote for Ford if he won a primary against her. The Repubs haven't come up with a viable competitor for a NY senate seat in many years.

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#502543 - 01-25-10 10:46 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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You know, I agree with you about the Senate. Everyone keeps saying, oh, no, they can't take back the Senate, but really, that's where the action is right now!

Reid is surely out, and look at this Specter mess! I can't see him holding onto that seat. That poor guy, 79 or 80 now I believe, clearly switched to Democrat because he doesn't want to retire and fears death, but his timing was so incredibly bad, if he'd waited as a Republican, he might well have survived this next election! I can't see him winning now, he's really a mess.

There are a BUNCH of vulnerable Senate seats, looks like to me, and seriously, how long CAN Byrd keep going? I mean, there's that aspect of things too, though the Grim Reaper can scythe both sides of the aisle.

So I am actually more interested in the Senate than the House for 2010, personally.

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#502547 - 01-25-10 10:54 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Phebe]
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And people are going to vote for republicans because they're better at....what?
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#502555 - 01-25-10 10:58 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: OhMy]
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People haven't voted FOR anything in years, only against. Sad but true.
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#502556 - 01-25-10 10:58 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: OhMy]
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Originally Posted By: Double Wide
And people are going to vote for republicans because they're better at....what?

Kicking terrorist ass.

Taking Ted Kennedy's Senate seat.

Balancing the budget (see 1996-2000, when Congress was controlled by Republicans).

Making fat, hideous old crones in Oklahoma melt down and say "niggers" repeatedly.
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#502560 - 01-25-10 11:02 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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9/11.

Defiling the Senate by putting a lying centerfold in a TEMPORARY office.

Running record deficits, after eating through a budget surplus. (I have to admit, they're the ONLY ones who have done that one.)

Making fat, hideous crones like Rove, powerful in DC.

Now find something voters ADMIRE about your party.

There isn't anything.
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#502588 - 01-25-10 11:24 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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Beau Biden is not running in Delaware:
Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden won't run for U.S. Senate - Delawareonline.com - 01/25/2010

Good news for Reoub lican Mike Castle who is now favored.

Evan Bayh is no trailing Mike Pense 47% to 44%.

Election 2010: Indiana Senate - Indiana Senate 2010: Pence (R) 47%, Bayh (D) 44% - Rasmussen Reports - 01/25/2010
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#502589 - 01-25-10 11:27 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: AMDG]
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However, this is January.

Let's see what the polls are running in September.

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#502591 - 01-25-10 11:32 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Phebe]
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If present trends continue, it will be GLORIOUS.

However, present trends really can't continue with the same velocity. We've been winning over independent voters but they're notoriously fickle. And in order to gain more support than we have now, we'd have to start convincing Obama Democrats to vote Republican: the Double Wides, the GoreLosts, the Douchebags and the RosieTheRetards.

It's that last, die-hard 20% -- and they'd rather vote for a Democrat's rabid dog than vote for a Republican.
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#502604 - 01-25-10 11:46 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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If you need CB and Gore, I don't think you're gonna get them!

But that far onto the left side I don't think Republicans have any need to go. Independents, like me, are flipping like burgers this year, back and forth, back and forth. That's what the Scott Brown election --- and the gubernatorial elections --- just showed.

It's a very fragile, fickle electorate right now, I'd say.

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#502607 - 01-25-10 11:47 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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All signals from the white House is that they are going to double down instead of adjust course. They are listening to Keith Olberdouche instead of Even Bayh.

The present trends could continue.
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#502613 - 01-25-10 11:53 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: AMDG]
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Originally Posted By: AMDG
All signals from the white House is that they are going to double down instead of adjust course.



They are SAYING that, yes. Over and over.

Very odd. But saying it doesn't mean they are going to DO such a silly thing. They may simply be trying to look tough, look like Believers, while they scramble around in the background trying desperately to change course.

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#502615 - 01-25-10 11:54 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: AMDG]
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AMDG: "All signals from the white House is that they are going to double down instead of adjust course."

I don't think 'signals' are what you should look for, AMDG. I think actions will speak louder than "signals."

"Saying" they will adjust course would be looked upon as a betrayal of the Dem base, so they won't "say" that. In addition, "saying" that would be a slap in the face of Reid and Pelosi and leftard Congresscritters, on health care.

But they might do that. I think Rahm Emanuel might recommend a course correction for this year.

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#502631 - 01-25-10 12:13 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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Here's a good summary of the Dems' dilemma...

I love the line "No sacrifice is too great for others to make for their dreams."

"In the wake of the stunning debacle (in their view) in the Bay State last Tuesday, Democrats find themselves with two thrilling alternatives: They can drop their unread and unreadable 2,200-page monstrosity of a health care reform bill and be labeled as wimps, jerks, and hapless losers who wasted a year and couldn’t deliver. Or, they can try to ram the Senate bill through the House (which hates most of it) in order to pass a bill that two-thirds of the country now loathes with a passion. They can either jump off the ship or stay on and sink with it. Either way, they end up in the drink.

There’s an interesting split among Democrats as to which courses to take. Those edging their way toward the lifeboats are those members of the House and Senate who sooner or later have to be in touch with the voters. Those who want the bill passed (i.e., pushed down the throats of the howling public) are White House officials and pundits, bloggers, academicians, talk show hosts, and others who don’t face reelection in this year or any, and will even find their business improving if the bill passes and all hell breaks loose. The pundits, who have no skin in this game since they will not get fired, have transferred their soaring contempt for the American people to their beleaguered House members. “Jump! Jump!” they cry to the quivering congressfolk. No sacrifice is too great for others to make for their dreams."
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#502633 - 01-25-10 12:17 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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Pretty cute writing.
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#502637 - 01-25-10 12:44 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Phebe]
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Just what terrists asses has the GOP kicked? They never did get the people who attacked us. Instead they invaded another country for no reason on the cheap.

Sounds kind of incompetent to me.
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#502638 - 01-25-10 12:47 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: CooterBrown]
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Yes, whenever I want a dispassionate, clear eyed view of the Democratic party, I turn to the Palace of Nepotism, Weekly Standard, America's biggest birthday present daddy's boy could ever want.
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#502640 - 01-25-10 12:50 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Zulif Bystander]
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Ah, your response is so perfect, cb: nothing on the content (dems' dilemma), all about the source.

Could you be a bigger phony? (half your responses are from leftard blogs)

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#502652 - 01-25-10 01:00 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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Evan Bayh joins the list of Dem Senators on the Endangered Specias List. It's a very close race...

Indiana Senator Evan Bayh is another Democratic incumbent who could find himself in a tough reelection battle this fall. A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state finds that Bayh attracts support from just 44% or 45% of voters when matched against his top potential Republican challengers.

Congressman Mike Pence is reportedly considering running against Bayh. At this time, he attracts 47% of the vote while Bayh picks up 44%.
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#502656 - 01-25-10 01:03 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Phebe]
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Pretty cute writing.

The spectacular, towering failures of the Other Side often lend themselves to "pretty cute writing" by Our Side. There was some "pretty cute writing" by the leftards in 2006 and 2008. Now it's our turn, I suppose.

I notice that Beau Biden has decided not to run for his father's Senate seat, and (precisely as I predicted on these pages) Evan Bayh is now seeing an erosion of his own support in Indiana, in the wake of the Martha Coakley meltdown in Massachusetts.

The Democrats' general retreat in 2010 is rapidly turning into a rout. In that progression, my next colorful descriptive term to achieve "pretty cute writing" would probably be "massacre."
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#502658 - 01-25-10 01:08 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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Ah, your response is so perfect, cb: nothing on the content (dems' dilemma), all about the source.

Could you be a bigger phony? (half your responses are from leftard blogs)


There is nothing of substance to which to respond, gaga.

Gee, it would be terrible if Evan Bayh got sent down. We'd all miss him so much.

I'll be perfectly happy watching him twist in the wind. Pence can't be worse and he's already stupider.
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#502663 - 01-25-10 01:14 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Zulif Bystander]
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Thanks, cb. Should we expect your contribution for Pence's campaign????
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#502664 - 01-25-10 01:19 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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I think Obama is starting to get the message - lowering taxes...

Obama proposes almost doubling child care tax credit

January 25, 2010

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama proposed nearly doubling the child care tax credit for middle-class families Monday, the latest administration initiative meant to reassure Americans nervous about the slow pace of the economic recovery.

The proposal is one of five new recommendations from the president's Middle Class Task Force, which was established one year ago this week.

It comes as an increasingly populist White House struggles to regain the political advantage among swing independent voters who have flocked to the GOP in recent elections in Massachusetts, New Jersey and Virginia....

...In addition, the White House will propose limiting federal student loan payments to 10 percent of a student's income above a basic living allowance.

The administration also will push for the creation of a system of automatic workplace individual retirement accounts, requiring all employers to give workers the option of enrolling in a direct-deposit IRA.

Fourth, the White House will propose expanding tax credits to match retirement savings, while also enacting new safeguards to protect retirement savings.

Fifth, the administration will push to expand federal support for families caring for elderly relatives, "helping them manage their multiple responsibilities and allowing seniors to live in the community for as long as possible," a White House official said.
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#502666 - 01-25-10 01:22 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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Boxer is also at risk, although not as much as Bayh...

Will California Senator Boxer be the next victim of angry voters?

The Massachusetts senatorial elections sent waves of uncertainty to many incumbents across the country and California’s Barbara Boxer (D-CA) has watched her poll numbers drop and competitors pull within single digits.

“Any incumbent who polls below 50% at this point in the season is considered potentially vulnerable,” said Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports. “However, vulnerable incumbents still have the power of their office and still have a decent chance of winning. The Democratic leaning political gravity of California will certainly give Senator Boxer a boost in that effort.”

The longtime Democratic senator runs best right now against State Assemblyman Chuck Devore, beating him by six points, 46 percent to 40 percent. Two months ago, though, Boxer posted a 10-point lead on DeVore.

The fact that Boxer’s support is frozen at 46 percent against all GOP challengers suggest that the race, for now, is about her rather than those running against her. Boxer is viewed very favorably by 25 percent of California voters but very unfavorably by 34 percent.

“Regardless of the outcome this should be a gigantic wake-up call to the Democratic Party - that we're not connecting with the needs, the aspirations and the desires of real people right now," said San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom in a San Francisco Chronicle story.
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#502681 - 01-25-10 01:54 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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Part of the Dems' dilemma is highlighted by Gallup's poll finding approval for Obama is the most polarized by party of any first year president.



Democrats have gone from 88% to 82% approval in the year since he was inaugurated.

Republicans have gone from 41% to 18% approval during that time.



It should be called the Browning of America.




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#502719 - 01-25-10 02:25 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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Marion Berry (not the crack-smoking Democrat from Washington DC; the congressman from Arkansas) has announced that he's joining the Retirement Brigade; and of course we knew that Beau Biden isn't running for his father's Senate seat ...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/20...ats-in-midterms

Beau Biden exit: another blow for Democrats in midterms


For Republicans, two more pieces of the Big Win scenario for November have fallen into place. Beau Biden, the Democratic attorney general of Delaware and son of the vice president, announced Monday he's not running for the Senate. And seven-term Rep. Marion Berry of Arkansas, a conservative Democrat in a red state, announced he is retiring.

Both decisions are a big blow to the Democrats. In Delaware, Mr. Biden was seen as the only Democrat with a shot at holding onto the seat held by his father until last January. In Arkansas, Congressman Berry's retirement – the 12th by a House Democrat so far this cycle – makes that seat ripe for Republican takeover.

Every departure of a strong Democrat from the race this fall takes the Republicans one step closer to big gains in November. If the Obama White House keeps struggling – and unemployment remains high – there's an outside shot that the Republicans could take over the House, political analysts say. The Senate is an even bigger throw, with the Democrats enjoying a 59-41 majority, but the Republican victory in Massachusetts last week is encouraging other Republicans to consider running against presumably safe Democrats.

As the number of competitive races grows, the Democrats’ sure-thing majority looks slightly less sure.

"The Republicans unquestionably have momentum as 2010 begins," writes nonpartisan handicapper Stuart Rothenberg, who now projects a 24- to 28-seat GOP gain in the House (still short of the 40-seat gain needed for a takeover). "Of course, changes in the national mood between now and November could also benefit Democrats," Mr. Rothenberg adds.

The only good news for Democrats in Delaware is that they have an excellent shot at taking the House seat being vacated by Rep. Michael Castle (R), who is running for the Senate. Congressman Castle, a popular moderate who has also served as governor, will be a formidable opponent for any Democrat. But even Beau Biden would have had a hard time winning. He had the name recognition and fundraising ability to make it a horse race, but he's young and still relatively inexperienced. And given the political climate, running as a presumed "heir apparent" might have backfired.

Now that Biden is off the table, "I doubt a high-profile, first-tier Democrat is willing to take on Mike Castle," writes Allan Loudell, a newscaster at WDEL radio in Wilmington, Del., in his blog. Sen. Ted Kaufman, the Democrat appointed to Vice President Biden's seat, reaffirmed Monday that he would not run for the seat in his own right.

In Arkansas, Berry cited health reasons for his decision to retire. "As a lifelong farmer, time has taken its toll on my health and I am no longer able to serve the district with the vitality I once possessed," he said in a statement.


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#502722 - 01-25-10 02:31 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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Originally Posted By: Gag Reflex
Evan Bayh joins the list of Dem Senators on the Endangered Specias List. It's a very close race...

Indiana Senator Evan Bayh is another Democratic incumbent who could find himself in a tough reelection battle this fall. A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state finds that Bayh attracts support from just 44% or 45% of voters when matched against his top potential Republican challengers.

Congressman Mike Pence is reportedly considering running against Bayh. At this time, he attracts 47% of the vote while Bayh picks up 44%.
Ras


This is really strange --- and not a good sign. Because I remember reading Bayh's was a sure-hold seat, not in danger at all.

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#502723 - 01-25-10 02:33 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Frank]
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Quote:
I notice that Beau Biden has decided not to run for his father's Senate seat, and (precisely as I predicted on these pages) Evan Bayh is now seeing an erosion of his own support in Indiana, in the wake of the Martha Coakley meltdown in Massachusetts.

The Democrats' general retreat in 2010 is rapidly turning into a rout.


The Biden thing is unsettling. We KNOW Beau was supposed to have that seat --- the aide to VP Biden Sr. is simply a placeholder, they made that plain early on.

So if he "doesn't want to run" he and his dad must think the Dems are going to get PLASTERED.


Ummmm, I want to make it plain I'm not talking about wallboard here.....

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#502724 - 01-25-10 02:35 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Baba O'Riley]
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Originally Posted By: Baba O'Riley

People haven't voted FOR anything in years, only against. Sad but true.


Right. And it is sad.

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#502867 - 01-25-10 06:40 PM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: RosieTheRiveter]
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CNN Poll: For First Time, More Say Dem Control Is Bad For Country

The headline on the new CNN poll is this: “Most Americans applaud Democrats’ loss of supermajority.

And that’s bad for Dems. But what’s worse for Dems is that the poll’s internals also show that for the first time since the Dem takeover of Congress, more say Dem control of Congress is bad for the country.

The poll finds that 48% of American adults say it’s “bad for the country that the Democratic party is in control of Congress,” versus only 45% who say it’s good. That’s within the poll’s margin of error, but it still isn’t good for Dems.

CNN asked that question nine other times since Dems took control of Congress. In every other instance, voters said Dem control was good for the country by a wide margin, almost always by double digits.

The poll also finds that for the first time since the 2006 takeover, the number who have an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party equals the number who view the Democratic Party favorably. That’s at 46% apiece.

The question is whether Dem leaders will decide they’re tanking because voters don’t like the health reform bill they’ve been trying to pass, making them decide to shelve it — or whether they’ll conclude that voters don’t like failure, making them redouble their efforts to pass something they can call a historic accomplishment. Anyone taking bets?
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#502922 - 01-26-10 08:53 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
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There's a new meme floating around: Kirsten Gillibride (D-NY) is the next Martha Coakley.

There will be at least two differences:
-A Republican along the Scott Brown mold has to appear out of a thin field. So far, no takers.
-Gillibride has fair warning, and won't be asleep at the switch until the last 2-3 weeks.

The Next Martha Coakley?

by Steve Kornacki

The shocking GOP upset in Massachusetts has put Democrats on notice: Lackluster candidates are vulnerable, even in the bluest states. Steve Kornacki on Kirsten Gillibrand’s weaknesses.

When a Democratic Senate candidate loses in Ted Kennedy’s backyard, it’s cause for alarm for every Democrat up for reelection—especially those who thought they were insulated by the Democratic bent of their home state. Case in point: Kirsten Gillibrand.

To date, Gillibrand’s political career has been the definition of a charmed ascent, typified first by her campaign for the House in a can’t-miss year for Democrats (2006) against a Republican opponent who had to answer 11th-hour charges of spousal abuse, and then by her gubernatorial appointment to the U.S. Senate two years later.

And the breaks kept coming after she joined the Senate, as one ambitious New York Democrat after another took a pass on challenging her in the 2010 primary—from Steve Israel to Jerry Nadler to the two Carolyns (McCarthy of Long Island and Maloney of the Upper East Side) and even Bill Thompson, all of them cowed by Gillibrand’s deep pockets and some old-fashioned strong-arming from Chuck Schumer and the Obama White House.

Sure, there was the emergence of Harold Ford this month. The former congressman and Senate candidate from Tennessee, though little-known to New Yorkers, has become a useful vehicle for the considerable number of liberal bundlers and party regulars—to say nothing of the bored New York press corps—who have been disappointed by what Gillibrand has been able to offer so far, and who have expressed interest in backing Ford.

Ford, a far more natural and nimble politician than Gillibrand, has delighted in portraying the incumbent as a hothouse flower who owes her survival to the intercession of party bosses. His Blue Dog track record, coziness with Wall Street, and tone-deaf boasts of a pampered Manhattan lifestyle all do serious violence to his plausibility. But Ford’s taken a leave of absence from his day job, and has begun blasting Gillibrand in a series of op-eds—a drumbeat of criticism that can only weaken her position, even if it doesn’t help elect Ford.

Gillibrand’s assumption (and the assumption of Democrats in New York and Washington) has long been that if she could secure the Democratic nomination, she’d coast in the general election. That’s what Democrats do in blue states like New York.

The one potential catch would have been if either of the state’s two big-name Republicans, Rudy Giuliani or George Pataki, got into the race. (Giuliani put an end to his latest empty threat to run for office last month and Pataki hasn’t lifted a finger—even as polls showed them both topping Gillibrand.) Against a no-name Republican, though, Gillibrand would be fine.

But this was Coakley’s thinking, too. Massachusetts hadn’t voted to send a Republican to the Senate since 1972, and—particularly since the GOP revolution of 1994, which redefined the party as a bastion of southern religious conservatism—voters there had come to simply tune out Republican candidates. John Kerry and Ted Kennedy did little campaigning in their 2008 and 2006 campaigns—and they won by 35 and 38 points, respectively.

But when Coakley’s imposing lead vanished in about two weeks’ time, notice was served: 2010 will be a very different year for Democrats in blue states. No longer can they point to the Bush or Gingrich bogeymen, they way they did these past 15 years—not when their party runs the show in D.C., and especially not when joblessness has breached 10 percent.

Maybe Coakley would have pulled off a win had she run a better campaign, but it’s clear in hindsight that the Massachusetts race was always going to be competitive. Voters live in the present tense and their anxiety level is now off the charts; in ’10, this will be channeled against the ruling Democrats, even in blue states.

This should make Gillibrand very nervous. If Brown, an unknown quantity to Massachusetts voters until days before the election, could engineer a win in the Bay State, then it means the GOP doesn’t need a Giuliani or Pataki to knock her off. They just need a Scott Brown.

This is especially evident in light of Gillibrand’s chief deficiency as a candidate: dreadful communication skills. She talks, often for far too long, almost exclusively in political clichés. There is no blood in her veins, at least not in public. This would have been fine in a year like 2008, when the playing field was so slanted in the Democrats’ favor. But not in 2010.

Coakley, as inept a communicator as Gillibrand, just proved this. When Massachusetts voters suddenly decided to pay attention to the race (and not simply rubber-stamp the Democrat), they were repelled by Coakley’s tired, lifeless, paint-by-numbers talking points—and excited by her opponent’s vigor..."
DailyBeast

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#502936 - 01-26-10 09:30 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
Phebe
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Harold Ford is a very attractive candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if he upsets her. That's the Obama lesson, right? In PC-preoccupied states, the black always beats out the white woman.


Besides, he's from Tennessee. It could work.

I don't think the GOPers can beat him. They may WELL be able to beat the lackluster Gillibrand. But you can't beat someone with no one, so they'd better get someone prepped if they mean to challenge this race.

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#502974 - 01-26-10 11:30 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
AMDG
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Originally Posted By: Gag Reflex
I think Obama is starting to get the message - lowering taxes...

Obama proposes almost doubling child care tax credit

January 25, 2010

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama proposed nearly doubling the child care tax credit for middle-class families Monday, the latest administration initiative meant to reassure Americans nervous about the slow pace of the economic recovery.

The proposal is one of five new recommendations from the president's Middle Class Task Force, which was established one year ago this week.

It comes as an increasingly populist White House struggles to regain the political advantage among swing independent voters who have flocked to the GOP in recent elections in Massachusetts, New Jersey and Virginia....

...In addition, the White House will propose limiting federal student loan payments to 10 percent of a student's income above a basic living allowance.

The administration also will push for the creation of a system of automatic workplace individual retirement accounts, requiring all employers to give workers the option of enrolling in a direct-deposit IRA.

Fourth, the White House will propose expanding tax credits to match retirement savings, while also enacting new safeguards to protect retirement savings.

Fifth, the administration will push to expand federal support for families caring for elderly relatives, "helping them manage their multiple responsibilities and allowing seniors to live in the community for as long as possible," a White House official said.
CNN


But they are going to let the Bush tax cuts expire. That guaranties a double (or triple) dip.
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#502976 - 01-26-10 11:33 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Phebe]
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I agree with you about Ford. Gillibrand is a nothing Senator: appointed, never won a statewide race, unknown campaigner, not a good public speaker, as far as I can tell (can't say I've ever heard her, but the feedback has been negative.)

But I don't give Ford much of a chance in the primary, though - if he runs - especially in NYC and suburbs. Tennessee is a long way from NY.

I'll vote for him if he wins the primary (I don't vote in the Dem primary.)


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#503003 - 01-26-10 11:46 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
Gag Reflex
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Even Rahm Emanuel thinks the left wing of the Dem party are LEFTARDS!!!

Under fire, Obama’s chief of staff calls liberal strategy ‘fucking retarded’
By John Byrne Tuesday, January 26th, 2010 -- 8:46 am

Conservatives have had it with President Barack Obama -- in the latest Gallup poll, he earned a just 23 percent approval rating from Republican voters. Liberal Democrats, meanwhile, have the president's back, awarding him an 88 percent backing.

But liberal support -- at least for the president's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel -- seems to be waning. And Emanuel seems to be slapping back.

According to a report Tuesday in the Wall Street Journal, Emanuel told a liberal strategy group in August that a plan to run advertisements against conservative Democrats who were "balking at Mr. Obama's health-care overhaul" was grossly unwise.

"F—ing retarded," Mr. Emanuel scolded the group, according to participants cited by the paper.

"He warned them not to alienate lawmakers whose votes would be needed on health care and other top legislative items," the reporter said.
RawStory

I wonder how Emanuel thinks those Leftards will do this fall.

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#503006 - 01-26-10 11:49 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
tlbshow2007
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OBAMA WILL HAVE TO BE IMPEACHED AND REMOVED FROM OFFICE

Edited by tlbshow2007 (01-26-10 11:49 AM)

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#503010 - 01-26-10 11:51 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
Phebe
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Quote:
But I don't give Ford much of a chance in the primary, though - if he runs - especially in NYC and suburbs. Tennessee is a long way from NY.

I'll vote for him if he wins the primary (I don't vote in the Dem primary.)


I'll bet you don't....

Tennessee: lots of charm, at least in his case. New Yorkers are okay with reverse carpet-baggers: look at Hillary Clinton from Arkansas. True, she went to school in New York, but still, that's not quite the same as being a Native Son, so to speak.

And New Yorkers love celebrities, and Harold Ford IS a celebrity, of sorts. Pale black guy, blue eyes? You gotta love it. I don't think the GOP can win if Harold Ford runs.

So I'd say the primary is the whole race in this one. Just my feeling, as a Tennessean: I could be wrong.

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#503011 - 01-26-10 11:52 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
RosieTheRiveter
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Originally Posted By: Gag Reflex
Even Rahm Emanuel thinks the left wing of the Dem party are LEFTARDS!!!


Newt Gingrich, Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney think the right wing of the GOP are RIGHTARDS!!!

So nanny-nanny-boo-boo to you, too.

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#503014 - 01-26-10 11:55 AM Re: Impact of Mass Senate Race [Re: Gag Reflex]
Phebe
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Originally Posted By: Gag Reflex


I wonder how Emanuel thinks those Leftards will do this fall.



I see you just got to your Wall Street Journal today, too.

"F***ing retarded!"

I guess that's what passes for a charm offensive in Chicago.

Rahn apparently thinks the leftards will do BAD: he's characterized as a raging centrist by the WSJ.

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