#461031 - 09-22-09 12:35 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Democrats
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Biden sees the future, and he doesn't like it...
Biden on 2010: If GOP Succeeds, It’s ‘The End of the Road for What Barack and I Are Trying to Do’
September 21, 2009 6:30 PM
Vice President Joe Biden said today that if Democrats were to lose 35 House seats they currently hold in traditionally Republican districts, it would mean doomsday for President Obama’s agenda.
Biden said Republicans are pinning their political strategy on flipping these seats.
“If they take them back, this the end of the road for what Barack and I are trying to do,” the vice president said at a fundraiser for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) today in Greenville, Delaware.
Republicans need to pick up 40 seats next November to take back control of the House.
There are 49 seats currently held by Democrats in districts that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) won in last year’s presidential election..."
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#461126 - 09-22-09 10:02 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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See, here's the problem, gag...
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#461128 - 09-22-09 10:03 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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toxteth o'grady
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And Massachusetts just gave Deval Patrick the right to appoint a senator to replace Ted Kennedy until January. That's 60, Frank...
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#461421 - 09-23-09 09:28 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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tox: "That's 60, Frank... "
Until Robert Byrd (D-WV), 92 years old, the all-time longest-serving Senator, buys the farm. We'll miss him and his moderate views on racial relations:
"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
Sen. Robert Byrd Taken to Hospital After Fall
"Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.V., will remain in the hospital for "a few days" after falling down Tuesday morning in his Northern Virginia home, his office said in a statement.
Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.V., was taken to the hospital this morning after falling down in his Northern Virginia home.
In addition to his fall, the 91-year-old senator has an elevated white cell count, a possible sign of an infection.
"Byrd was taken to the hospital this morning as a precautionary measure following a fall at his home which was likely caused by standing up too quickly. While having no broken bones or bruises, upon examination, doctors found an elevated white-blood cell count which can be an early sign of an infection," the statement said.
"Therefore, his doctors have determined that Byrd should remain in the hospital for antibiotic treatment and observation. Senator Byrd is in good spirits and expressed his disappointment that he was unable to join all his Senate colleagues this afternoon for the biennial Senate photo."
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#461422 - 09-23-09 09:44 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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Zulif Bystander
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Looks like Byrd may be the Senator to lead the repukes out of their 40 year wilderness.
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#461423 - 09-23-09 09:55 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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Nothing like coming to the grill and watching Gaggy cheer for someone to die.
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#461661 - 09-24-09 05:27 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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The VP has provided motivation for Republicans across the country The VP thinks it'll be the "End of the Road" for the president's agenda if the GOP wins back 35 seats in 2010.
Biden on 2010: If GOP Succeeds, It’s ‘The End of the Road for What Barack and I Are Trying to Do’
Vice President Joe Biden said today that if Democrats were to lose 35 House seats they currently hold in traditionally Republican districts, it would mean doomsday for President Obama’s agenda.
Biden said Republicans are pinning their political strategy on flipping these seats.
“If they take them back, this the end of the road for what Barack and I are trying to do,” the vice president said at a fundraiser for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) today in Greenville, Delaware.
Republicans need to pick up 40 seats next November to take back control of the House. There are 49 seats currently held by Democrats in districts that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) won in last year’s presidential election.
Biden said these House seats are Republicans “one shot” at breaking the Obama administration’s agenda. But if Democrats can hold on to those seats, “the dam is going to break,” he said, and a new era of bipartisanship will begin.
“All the hidden Republicans that don’t have the courage to vote the way they want to vote because of pressure from the party … it will break the dam and you will see bipartisanship,” Biden said.
Republicans welcomed the vice president’s assessment of the 2010 landscape.
“What didn’t seem possible just a few months ago, appears to be the topic of conversation even within the upper echelons of the Obama White House,” said Ken Spain, spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee. “It is interesting to hear Vice President Biden admit that the administration’s effort to double down on a partisan agenda of government takeovers could possibly mean the ‘end of the road’ for their political viability.”
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#461669 - 09-24-09 05:39 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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Gag Reflex
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I think Rahm Emanuel will regret, or maybe already has regretted, his famous arrogant quote:
"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."
This approach has just barely succeeded in the bailouts/takeovers so far. Obama won't get his two top domestic priorities: Cap and Trade and Health Care, and he's unlikely to get what he wants on his next major priority, Immigration "Reform."
He's finding out that doubling-down was an enormous risk for the administration during these troubled times.
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#461670 - 09-24-09 05:40 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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Gag Reflex
If, if , if the GOP had won the last election we would be at the bottom of another Great Republican Depression by now.
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#461676 - 09-24-09 06:11 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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Gag Reflex
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Nice unsupportable hypothesis, Genghis.
Relief from recessions has almost always been accomplished in recent decades by tax relief, not spending...
-The Kennedy Tax Cut of 1961
-The Reagan Tax Cuts of the early 1980's,
-The Bush Tax Cut of 2001 (especially Joe Lieberman's idea of an immediate tax refund check)
All were extremely effective at ending recessions.
Edit: corrected the date of the Kennedy Tax Cut
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#461678 - 09-24-09 06:20 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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Genghis
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Even with Alzheimer's Reagan realized his initial tax cuts were a mistake. Reagan raised taxes every year after the initial cuts.
The Bush tax cuts created a massive deficit that almost created another republican depression.
Ford's tax cuts did stimulate the economy because of how they wer targeted.
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#461681 - 09-24-09 06:28 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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Genghis: "Even with Alzheimer's Reagan realized his initial tax cuts were a mistake. Reagan raised taxes every year after the initial cuts.
The Bush tax cuts created a massive deficit that almost created another republican depression. "
Link that Reagan thought the tax cuts were a mistake? Link that he "raised taxes every year after the initial cuts"????
Almost created a depression from the Bush Cut????? Because of a deficit???? Didn't you ever take Econ 101, Genghis????
You are aware, aren't you, that the March 2001-November 2001 recession was the shortest ever in American history, aren't you Genghis???? and that the Lieberman tax rebate checks were sent out in August-September 2001?
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#461683 - 09-24-09 06:50 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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I think we've got a new champ.... even cb isn't as brazen as Genghis in his lies.
All hail Genghis: The new Champion Liar on CG.
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#461685 - 09-24-09 06:51 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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gagged: "-The Bush Tax Cut of 2001 ....All were extremely effective at ending recessions."
Actually, that only created a deficit. It had no effect on the recession. That tax cut was a contributing factor not only to the deficit but also the ensuing "jobless" recovery. The huge tax breaks given to the wealthiest people in the nation, a miniscule percentage of the population, clearly did not invest the money in the industrial/commercial sector. The money just went into speculative, risky ventures and got eaten with the crash at the end of Jr's ruinous stewardship.
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#461686 - 09-24-09 06:52 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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BTW, so long as only 24% of the population approves of the repuke-likkin' party, I'm not going to start worrying about a year from now.
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#461687 - 09-24-09 06:59 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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You have been brainwashed with republican BS.
he followed his huge 1981 tax cut with two large tax increases. In fact, no peacetime president has raised taxes so much on so many people. This is not a criticism: the tale of those increases tells you a lot about what was right with President Reagan's leadership, and what's wrong with the leadership of George W. Bush.
The first Reagan tax increase came in 1982. By then it was clear that the budget projections used to justify the 1981 tax cut were wildly optimistic. In response, Mr. Reagan agreed to a sharp rollback of corporate tax cuts, and a smaller rollback of individual income tax cuts. Over all, the 1982 tax increase undid about a third of the 1981 cut; as a share of G.D.P., the increase was substantially larger than Mr. Clinton's 1993 tax increase.
The contrast with President Bush is obvious. President Reagan, confronted with evidence that his tax cuts were fiscally irresponsible, changed course. President Bush, confronted with similar evidence, has pushed for even more tax cuts.
Mr. Reagan's second tax increase was also motivated by a sense of responsibility — or at least that's the way it seemed at the time. I'm referring to the Social Security Reform Act of 1983, which followed the recommendations of a commission led by Alan Greenspan. Its key provision was an increase in the payroll tax that pays for Social Security and Medicare hospital insurance.
http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/5562.html
According to a recent Treasury Department study, Ronald Reagan proposed the largest peacetime tax increase in American history as part of a budget deal to get the federal deficit under control. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) of 1982 was signed into law on Sept. 3, and most of its provisions took effect on Jan. 1, 1983.
A list of Reagan's tax increases is about half way down the page.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/26/obama-b...l?partner=links
One year after his massive tax cut, Reagan agreed to a tax increase to reduce the deficit that restored fully one-third of the previous year's reduction. (In a bizarre bit of self-deception, Reagan, who never came to terms with this episode of ideological apostasy, persuaded himself that the three-year, $100 billion tax hike--the largest since World War II--was actually "tax reform" that closed loopholes in his earlier cut and therefore didn't count as raising taxes.)
Faced with looming deficits, Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years, mainly through closing tax loopholes for business. Despite the fact that such increases were anathema to conservatives--and probably cost Reagan's successor, George H.W. Bush, reelection--Reagan raised taxes a grand total of four times just between 1982-84.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0301.green.html
Reagan may have resisted calls for tax increases, but he ultimately supported them. In 1982 alone, he signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion.
According to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history. An increase of similar magnitude today would raise more than $100 billion per year.
In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate. This is a tax increase that lives with us still, since it initiated automatic increases in the taxable wage base. As a consequence, those with moderately high earnings see their payroll taxes rise every single year.
In 1984, Reagan signed another big tax increase in the Deficit Reduction Act. This raised taxes by $18 billion per year or 0.4 percent of GDP. A similar-sized tax increase today would be about $44 billion.
The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 raised taxes yet again. Even the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was designed to be revenue-neutral, contained a net tax increase in its first 2 years. And the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 raised taxes still more.
The year 1988 appears to be the only year of the Reagan presidency, other than the first, in which taxes were not raised legislatively. Of course, previous tax increases remained in effect. According to a table in the 1990 budget, the net effect of all these tax increases was to raise taxes by $164 billion in 1992, or 2.6 percent of GDP. This is equivalent to almost $300 billion in today's economy.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_bartlett/bartlett200310290853.asp
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#461714 - 09-24-09 09:22 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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That is why George H.W. Bush ran on "read my lips, no new taxes."
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#461874 - 09-25-09 10:22 AM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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People have been asking me why I haven't written a World Watch or a Civilization Watch in nine months.
At first it was because I wanted to give Obama a chance to show us who he is. I even hoped that maybe his pose as a middle-of-the-road bring-us-together candidate was actually true.
Now he's shown us that he's a radical leftist at heart and all his promises – every one of them – were lies. But he's still relatively harmless domestically because he's such an incompetent leader, unable to hold his course or persuade even his followers.
With ObamaCare on the ropes, his mischief is limited to not prosecuting his criminal friends (like the Black Panthers who openly intimidated voters in Philadelphia), appointing idiots to new offices that he invented so they wouldn't have to withstand congressional scrutiny and completely botching American foreign policy.
I never thought I'd live to see the day, but Hillary Clinton is actually looking good as secretary of state. At least she could go to a hellhole of corruption and fanaticism like Nigeria and speak truth to power.
Obama can't even keep a promise to the newly-freed countries of Eastern Europe to protect them from missile attacks.
Nor could he keep his promise to remain committed to victory in Afghanistan – a war we could win, but not if Obama caves in to pressure from the stupidest wing of the Democratic Party.
Obama has now broken promise after promise and told lie after lie. Yet our leftist media give him a pass every time. Meanwhile, I still remember that President Bush was called a liar constantly, even though – and I'm willing to stand by this – he was never found to have told a lie in his entire presidency.
(Remember, a lie is when you knowingly make a false statement, not when you simply turn out to be wrong about something that you believed to be true.)
http://greensboro.rhinotimes.com/Articles-i-2009-09-24-200062.112113_Civilization_Watch.html
orson scott card
http://www.hatrack.com/
Besides, if Obama doesn't face a Congress solidly in control of the Republican Party after the 2010 election (the way Clinton did after 1994), it means that either the Republicans really are the "stupid party," or the American people are grimly determined to keep getting kicked by the same mule.
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#461878 - 09-25-09 10:31 AM
Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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Latest NYT poll. Don't read it, rwns. It will spoil your breakfast. 
From the article:
But Mr. Obama is going into the fall having retained considerable political strength. At 56 percent, his approval rating is down from earlier in the year but still reasonably strong at this point compared with recent presidents.
More Americans are starting to credit his stimulus package with having helped to revive the economy. And Mr. Obama retains a decided advantage with the American public over Republicans on prominent issues, starting with health care.
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More to the point of how wrong this thread is:
...the poll suggests that Mr. Obama is in a decidedly more commanding position than Republicans on this issue as Congressional negotiations move into final stages. Most Americans trust Mr. Obama more than Republicans to make the right decisions on the issue; 76 percent said Republicans had not even laid out a clear health care plan.
And by a lopsided margin, respondents said that Mr. Obama and not Republicans had made an effort to cross party lines and strike a deal that has the support of both parties.
...Americans think the economy is on the mend, and there has been a 15-point increase, to 36 percent, in the percentage of Americans who said Mr. Obama’s stimulus package has improved the economy.
The poll of 1,042 adults was conducted by telephone from Saturday through Wednesday. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.
There is evidence of public distaste with Washington that washes across both parties. Nearly two-thirds of respondents said they believed that Republicans in Congress were opposing Mr. Obama’s bill only for political gain; just over half said Democrats in Congress backed the bill for political reasons.
Just 30 percent said they had a favorable view of Republicans in Congress. By contrast, 47 percent said they had a favorable view of Congressional Democrats.
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#461879 - 09-25-09 10:32 AM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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30% favorability? 76% deplore lack of plans?
Sounds like a winner.
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#461891 - 09-25-09 11:03 AM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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I'm SURE  it was an oversight, but cb left off the opening graph of the article quoted above...
"President Obama is confronting declining support for his handling of the war in Afghanistan and an electorate confused and anxious about a health care overhaul as he prepares for pivotal battles over both issues, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll."
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#461982 - 09-25-09 03:17 PM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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If the Ds think their "plan" is so great, why do they need an R to vote for it? Unless they are cowards and think it will fail.
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#461993 - 09-25-09 04:16 PM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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Becasue the GOP threatens to FIllibuster it, need I explain such Arcane rules to you sir?
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#461994 - 09-25-09 04:19 PM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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I'm SURE it was an oversight, but cb left off the opening graph of the article quoted above... " President Obama is confronting declining support for his handling of the war in Afghanistan and an electorate confused and anxious about a health care overhaul as he prepares for pivotal battles over both issues, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll."
It wasn't an oversight, stupid. I linked the article.
I don't agree with their interpretation of the data nor do I think that's the real message here.
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#462397 - 09-28-09 09:18 AM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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I think this will add to the electoral woes for the democrats in 2010...
Mighty aches from little ACORN’s fall
"...ACORN was the linchpin of the Democratic electoral-fraud machine. Without it, the party’s position going into the next round of elections may be seriously weakened.
... vote fraud is in recent U.S. history primarily a crime associated with urban Democratic political machines; simple risk-benefit analysis explains why a national minority party operating in densely populated districts should be the most likely to systematize the practice. What I didn’t write at the time (but could have, as the fact was quite well known to anyone who pays attention to retail politics) is that ACORN has long been the Democrats’ single most important source for legions of deniable fraudsters.
The “deniable” part is important. The Democratic party is (probably) not yet so corrupt an organization that most of its members want to know about the dirty-tricks side of winning elections — but those tactics are more important every year as the Democratic minority gets smaller, older, and more regionally concentrated. (Another dangerous corollary of this trend is that the Democrats depend more on wealthy individual donors than the Republicans do; objectively, the Democrats have been the “party of the rich” for more than fifteen years now.) Thus, the symbiosis between ACORN and the Democrats served both organizations well; the Democrats got a vote-fraud operation their more honest members could could avert their eyes from, while ACORN got funding and political top cover...
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#462400 - 09-28-09 09:33 AM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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Hiya, Gags....
Let me put things in perspective for you.
No one cares about Acorn except Rush Limbaugh and his underlings and acolytes.
To 90% of the country, Acorn is a nut.
But then, you guys on the right should be very familiar with nuts.
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#462401 - 09-28-09 09:43 AM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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GW, you've been saying that same thing over and over, while the Acorn debacle keeps growing and new charges are brought. If Obama believes that a majority will be lost, he'll call out the Black Panthers and their night sticks.
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#462413 - 09-28-09 10:51 AM
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catzie: The "debacle" keeps growing only within the insulated, incubated right-wing wacko world, not the larger world.
And if "charges" are brought, people are getting used to this stuff now and will recognize that this is just one of those inside the Beltway partisan food fights.
And they'll ignore it.
The Detroit Lions victory yesterday will have more traction than this Acorn business.
Trust me. I'm a former right-wing wacko. I've been there....
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#462419 - 09-28-09 11:17 AM
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Catzie, it's all part of the vast right wing conspiracy!!
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#462420 - 09-28-09 11:18 AM
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I disagree with you GW.....
this one aint-a-goin A-way
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#462423 - 09-28-09 11:37 AM
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Actually, I agree with Caustic on this one, GW. ACORN has been hurt, and they need to deal with the bad press. Fast.
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#462425 - 09-28-09 11:39 AM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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GW in Ohio
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I still think it's Beltway stuff, Rosie. The average voter thinks acorn is a tree.
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#462427 - 09-28-09 11:48 AM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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RosieTheRiveter
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The 'average American' probably so, GW. But 'the average voter' is catching on to what ACORN is.
Nevertheless, no one's connected Obama directly to any of ACORN's shenanigans, so I don't know how much it will end up hurting him in the long run. If they aren't careful -- and the right is rarely careful -- it comes off looking like a political witch hunt.
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#462429 - 09-28-09 12:01 PM
Re: Everyday: Major Disaster for Republicans
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GW in Ohio
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Yeah, that's the point, I guess, Rosie.....
Acorn may be hurt by this business, but it won't affect Obama.
(Sorry about that, right wing friends....)
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#462493 - 09-28-09 08:39 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Democrats
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Frank
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Nevertheless, no one's connected Obama directly to any of ACORN's shenanigans ...
But for the past eight years, the Democrats have been teaching us how to play "Guilt By Association." That was the purpose of posting that blurry photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, wasn't it?
Welcome to the second round of "Guilt By Association," Rosie.
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#462495 - 09-28-09 08:43 PM
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Genghis
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It wasn't guilt by association. Rumsfeld was lobbying Saddam to allow Bechtel Corporation to build an oil pipeline.
Reagan gave billions in taxpayer money to his BFF Saddam.
HW Bush made sure Saddam had everything he needed in America's proxy war with Iran.
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#462497 - 09-28-09 08:45 PM
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Frank
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Contrary to popular left-wing mythology, Rumsfeld did not deliver nerve gas warheads to Saddam Hussein.
How many billions have already been put in the pipeline for Obama's BFF ACORN?
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#462500 - 09-28-09 08:47 PM
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Genghis
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No, Rumsfeld wanted Saddam to allow Bechtel to build a pipeline. When Saddan said no, he became a brutal evil dictator.
It was Reagan who used my tax money to fund Saddam's purchase of the chemical precusors for nerve gas from American corporations.
Hallibruton received more money in one day than Acorn received in 20 years.
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#462501 - 09-28-09 08:49 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Democrats
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Frank
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You mean the chemical precursors for agricultural herbicides and pesticides, don't you?
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#462503 - 09-28-09 08:50 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Democrats
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Genghis
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They were exported under a "dual use" export license signed by Bonzo Reagan.
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#462505 - 09-28-09 09:20 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Democrats
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Zulif Bystander
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The evil is endless. Ronnie Raygun was probably the most easily manipulated of all.
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#462527 - 09-28-09 11:34 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Malaclypse II
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You know, I remember the dems cackling with glee in 2004.
Up until November.
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#462531 - 09-29-09 12:25 AM
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RosieTheRiveter
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You know, I remember the dems cackling with glee in 2004.
Up until November.
Too true.
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#462633 - 09-29-09 01:00 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Zulif Bystander
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The rwns have to have something to cheer themselves up with.
So far Acorn is a bust, and Sarah Palin is now the laughingstock of two continents, maybe more. McSame keeps trotting out and nobody notices except to comment on how lousy he looks and how glad everyone is that he didn't squeak into the WH.
So, grab for that gusto, even if it's inconclusive poll numbers.
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#462634 - 09-29-09 01:02 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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RosieTheRiveter
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Don't forget the big success of the Teabaggers. Also.
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#462637 - 09-29-09 01:05 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Zulif Bystander
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Only a libbie leftie like me would forget the "maybe 2,000,000" teabaggers who assembled on the Mall.
Thanks for the correction.
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#462678 - 09-29-09 03:51 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Catz
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Becasue the GOP threatens to FIllibuster it, need I explain such Arcane rules to you sir?
And here I thought they were filibuster proof.
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#462738 - 09-29-09 10:25 PM
Re: November 2010: Disaster for Republicans
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toxteth o'grady
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Biden on 2010: If GOP Succeeds, It’s ‘The End of the Road for What Barack and I Are Trying to Do’
Psst, Gag - this is called "rallying the troops". It's kind of a milder version of the extremely silly missive I got from the NRSC (see thread). After seeing the latest Franklin and Marshall poll, which gives the Dems a 43-30 edge in a generic match-up with the Gops, you boys will have to get a lot shriller to overcome that advantage (and believe me, I've been lurking for a few days just to see how shrill you've become). You are going to regret having lent Frank your computer while you go off to the Virgin Islands...
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#462739 - 09-29-09 10:27 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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toxteth o'grady
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Only a libbie leftie like me would forget the "maybe 2,000,000" teabaggers who assembled on the Mall.
Well, maybe not a million quite, but surely more than four...
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