#462814 - 09-30-09 01:07 AM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Nevertheless, no one's connected Obama directly to any of ACORN's shenanigans ... But for the past eight years, the Democrats have been teaching us how to play "Guilt By Association." That was the purpose of posting that blurry photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, wasn't it?
The Obama photo is a FAIL compared to your Rumsfeld example, Frank.
Guilt by association only works if people 'get it' right away: most people don't care enough to even know who ACORN is. The only well-known face in that room is Obama. Those ladies look like three nice grandmas asking Obama what he likes to eat at Thanksgiving dinner because they think he's a nice young man who's a bit thin.
And finally, he's not obviously enjoying shaking hands over a deal with 'a leader so horrible that he gassed his own people.'
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#462815 - 09-30-09 01:11 AM
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They forget Americans remember the complete and utter disaster that was the Boosh administration, Rosie.
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#463437 - 10-02-09 07:45 AM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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Now, it may be about the timing of General Motors' disappearance - before or after the 2010 elections, that helps determine the results of those elections. (Ford, the one who turned down a bailout, may be the only surviving producer.)...
"GM's sales are down 45% from last September (when sales were already bad enough to drive the company into bankruptcy). Chrysler is down 42%. Ford is only down 5%. Car buyers are clearly punishing the two bailout recipients brutally."
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"...For those of you who say the Obama’s army never really intended to rescue either automaker, that they were simply subsidizing the companies to facilitate a soft landing, I say bullshit. Washington’s big swinging dicks, led by private equity money men with a similar anatomical affliction, honestly thought they could “fix” Detroit. Any other reading of the situation would be deeply cynical, and you know how I feel about that.
In any case, it’s only a matter of time before Chrysler, and then GM, are parted out. Without a new new new round of bailouts, look for the Big Two to go down by the end of next year."
The Truth About Cars
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#463438 - 10-02-09 07:50 AM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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f-too: "They forget Americans remember the complete and utter disaster that was the Boosh administration, Rosie. "
...which was re-elected in 2004.
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#464145 - 10-05-09 01:37 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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A former judge is facing life in prison after being charged with sexually abusing male inmates in exchange for leniency.
Respected circuit judge Herman Thomas, who was once the Democratic Party’s choice to be the first black federal judge in south Alabama, is accused of bringing inmates to his office and spanking them with a paddle.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew...-inm/index.html
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#464147 - 10-05-09 01:48 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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RosieTheRiveter
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I've been following that one in the news, tlb. Thomas may end up having charges dropped based on time statutes.
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#464149 - 10-05-09 01:53 PM
Re: Wendy's cheeseburger: Disaster for the Fistula
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what he did is despicible, if he did it, but if you think you can make hay out of an Alabama judge, I wish you welllll..........
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#464151 - 10-05-09 01:57 PM
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Yeah, why can't he stimulate the economy and pay for it like David Vitter? Or give them huge payoffs like John Ensign?
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#464152 - 10-05-09 01:57 PM
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Right, dade, on both points. I would bet that most people even in Alabama have never heard of Judge Thomas. But then it is Alabama we're talking about...
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#464153 - 10-05-09 02:10 PM
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They should make him watch "Untamed Youth" with Mamie van Doren as a teenager who is wrongfully convicted of a traffic violation and sentenced to a work farm to pick cotton. He'd learn a lesson from what happens to corrupt Judge Lurene Tuttle who's in collusion with the sheriff in providing free labor by convicting every teenager who drives thru.
Edited by curious bystander (10-05-09 02:10 PM)
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#464206 - 10-05-09 10:26 PM
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A former judge is facing life in prison after being charged with sexually abusing male inmates in exchange for leniency. Respected circuit judge Herman Thomas, who was once the Democratic Party?s choice to be the first black federal judge in south Alabama, is accused of bringing inmates to his office and spanking them with a paddle. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew...-inm/index.html
They should make him spend the next 20 years locked in a cell with CB.
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#464390 - 10-06-09 03:21 PM
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I guess that would make you a "blooming" idiot... 
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#464414 - 10-06-09 04:15 PM
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I guess that would make you a "blooming" idiot...
Yeah, she's a real pistil...
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#464420 - 10-06-09 04:45 PM
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Zulif Bystander
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That President Obama! How dare he! It's just like that really funny guy who imitates Obama on SNL (it's a great imitation, but I'm always glad that they remind you who he's imitating) said:
Obama has accomplished Nothing! Nothing! Nothing!
From the damning article:
The United States is the most admired country globally thanks largely to the star power of President Barack Obama and his administration, according to a new poll.
It climbed from seventh place last year, ahead of France, Germany, the United Kingdom and Japan which completed the top five nations in the Nation Brand Index (NBI).
"What's really remarkable is that in all my years studying national reputation, I have never seen any country experience such a dramatic change in its standing as we see for the United States for 2009," said Simon Anholt, the founder of NBI, which measured the global image of 50 countries each year.
He believes that during the previous administration of George W. Bush the United States suffered in the world ranking with its unpopular foreign policies but since Obama was elected, and despite the recent economic turmoil, the country's status has risen globally.
"There is no other explanation," Anholt said in an interview, referring to the impact of Obama.
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#464421 - 10-06-09 05:14 PM
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"He believes that during the previous administration of George W. Bush the United States suffered in the world ranking with its unpopular foreign policies"
But w was very popular with our enemies for his relentless effort to destroy our economy.
Thanks, junior!
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#464884 - 10-08-09 01:13 PM
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RosieTheRiveter
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"...Yeah, she's a real pistil..."
And you call that an anther..?
Oh damn, now I'm stigmatized.
I'm nipping this garden-variety humor in the bud right now.
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#464890 - 10-08-09 01:18 PM
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Frank
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It's sprouting all over the thread.
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#464978 - 10-08-09 10:01 PM
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This thread was bound for the compost heap, anyway.
Just like the "Culture of Corruption" thread. And I'm just the guy to encourage the process.
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#464982 - 10-08-09 10:08 PM
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En Zyme supposed to find that funny?
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#465096 - 10-09-09 08:29 AM
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An analysis of the competitive Senate races next year, showing who could lose seats...
Senators who could lose in 2010
By CHARLES MAHTESIAN | 10/9/09 4:06 AM EDT
The 2010 Senate landscape is almost evenly split down the middle: Republicans will be defending 18 seats, while the Democrats will be defending 19 seats, including the January special election in Massachusetts.
Connecticut
Chris Dodd, a five-term Democrat, is arguably the party’s most vulnerable Senate incumbent — just look at the lengthy list of Republicans who are champing at the bit to take him on. Dodd has experienced marked improvement in his poll ratings in recent months, a development no doubt assisted by the Senate Ethics Committee’s August dismissal of complaints alleging that Dodd and Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) had received special mortgage deals from Countrywide Financial. Yet the committee also noted that the two should have “exercised more vigilance" to avoid the appearance that they received preferential treatment, so the issue isn’t entirely wiped away. Leading the crowded GOP field is former three-term Rep. Rob Simmons, who was defeated for reelection in 2006. Simmons has led Dodd in head-to-head polling matchups for months; Quinnipiac had him at a 5-percentage-point advantage in mid-September.
Nevada
The only thing stopping Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid from being rated as the most vulnerable Democratic senator is the quality of his opposition. Republicans struggled for months to come up with a top-tier challenger to Reid, despite his anemic ratings in the polls. Now the GOP has at least three prospective challengers — former state Republican Party Chairwoman Sue Lowden, state Sen. Mark Amodei and businessman Danny Tarkanian — but none of them has ever run a race quite like this or against a smash-mouth opponent quite like Reid. If the GOP nominee turns out to be equal to the task, the general election may end up resembling the epic 2004 South Dakota battle between then- Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Republican John Thune, fueled by national money and contingent on whether the challenger can convince voters that Reid’s power hasn’t translated into results for Nevada — which is suffering from high unemployment and foreclosure rates.
Arkansas
In a state where John McCain crushed Barack Obama by 20 points in 2008 and where polls show voters are deeply skeptical of Obama’s health care plan, Democratic Sen. Blanche Lincoln has little room for error in her bid for a third term. According to a late September Rasmussen poll, she trails all four of her Republican opponents. And the poll shows her trailing state Sen. Gilbert Baker by 8 points, 47 percent to 39 percent. Baker has emerged as an early front-runner for the Republican nomination. Lincoln, however, is well-prepared to stave off the opposition. She raised nearly $4.6 million for her campaign through the end of June and had more than $3 million in her war chest at the time. Perhaps more important, the recent chairmanship shuffle left her at the head of the Senate Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee — a key committee for a dependent Arkansas.
Colorado
Democrat Michael Bennet, appointed to the Senate seat left vacant when Ken Salazar became interior secretary, has two tough races ahead of him in 2010. The first is the August primary, where he’ll face former state House Speaker Andrew Romanoff, a talented young pol who was bypassed for the appointment. Much of the state Democratic establishment has lined up behind Bennet — as has the White House, which sought to dissuade Romanoff from running — but in short order Romanoff has already picked up a few Democratic endorsements. It doesn’t get any easier after that. A crowded Republican field is eager to take on political newcomer Bennet, and it includes former Lt. Gov. Jane Norton — who led Bennet by 9 points in a recent polling matchup.
Pennsylvania
Democratic Sen. Arlen Specter faces what may be the toughest election of his Senate career, which is saying something given the long arc of his tenure in office. Before he can claim a sixth term, Specter must defeat tenacious and cash-flush Rep. Joe Sestak in the May primary, then knock off Republican former Rep. Pat Toomey. The Harrisburg and Washington Democratic establishments are lined up behind Specter, but that’s not Sestak’s audience — he’s running to Specter’s left, in the hopes of winning over the party rank and file. Toomey, once thought to be too conservative to be a viable statewide candidate in Pennsylvania, has tempered his style and is competitive with Specter in head-to-head matchups.
Louisiana
Just when it looked like GOP Sen. David Vitter might weather the scandal surrounding the revelation that he was a client of a Washington prostitution ring, Democratic Rep. Charlie Melancon announced he would challenge Vitter in 2010, ensuring that the first-term conservative would get top-tier opposition. Democrats have already signaled that they consider the prostitution scandal fair game, while Vitter has indicated that President Barack Obama — and his health care plan — will play a central role in the contest. Vitter has relatively respectable approval ratings in a state that Obama lost by a wide margin, so he won’t be easy to dislodge.
California
Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer won a second term in 1998 by 10 percentage points and a third in 2004 by 20 points. Still, Republicans remain convinced that her polarizing style and liberal voting record make her vulnerable in 2010. The GOP has recruited a heavyweight challenger in former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, but Fiorina has stumbled out of the gate, and it’s not clear how much of her own money she’ll put into the race. While a July Rasmussen Reports poll gave Boxer a 45 percent to 41 percent lead — down from a 9-point lead in March — subsequent polls have not shown the race that tight, and few see this as a top GOP pickup opportunity.
North Carolina
There’s no scandal or silver-bullet issue. He’s reasonably well-funded. And unlike former GOP colleague Sen. Elizabeth Dole, who lost by a convincing margin in 2008, Sen. Richard Burr has been attentive to the state. Yet Burr’s approval ratings are lagging, and it’s got Democrats convinced they can deny him a second term in 2010. While the field isn’t set yet, Democrats already have one well-known challenger planning to run: Secretary of State Elaine Marshall, the first woman elected to statewide office in North Carolina. According to a recent poll, Marshall trails Burr by double digits. There’s still a long way to go, of course, but few think the political conditions in 2010 will look anything like 2008, when Barack Obama narrowly carried the state, Kay Hagan knocked off Dole and Democrat Bev Perdue won the open governor’s race.
Senate open seats
Illinois
The race for the seat Barack Obama resigned is a toss-up, a status that can be traced back to the notoriously botched effort to appoint his successor. On the Democratic side, state Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias is the front-runner, but he’s got two credible, though little-known, foes in the February primary — the earliest in the nation.
The Republican establishment has rallied behind moderate Rep. Mark Kirk, a fifth-term congressman from the Chicago suburbs. While GOP statewide candidates have lost by landslide margins in recent years, Kirk is competitive in the polls, and this rates as one of the GOP’s best chances of picking off a Democratic-held seat in 2010.
Holding control of the Illinois Senate seat is one of the administration’s top political priorities — it would be a major embarrassment if Republicans picked up Obama’s old seat — but it won’t be easy, with impeached Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s trial slated for next year.
New Hampshire
In the seat left open by the retirement of GOP Sen. Judd Gregg, Democrats are united behind Rep. Paul Hodes. Republicans are still sorting things out in the primary field. While this Senate seat is widely regarded as one of the top Democratic pickup opportunities — the other best shots are Missouri and Ohio — Hodes had a bad August, marked by criticism that he avoided large-scale public events on health care.
In a state that’s emerging as a bellwether in the health care debate, Hodes probably didn’t do himself any favors by referring to reform opponents as the “flat-earth society.”
Former state Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, a top GOP recruit, led Hodes in a matchup in the most recent polling, but she has to win the nomination first — and that’s not a certainty.
Ohio
Ohio Democrats have been on a recent roll, with Sherrod Brown knocking off incumbent GOP Sen. Mike DeWine in 2006 at the same time that Ted Strickland won the open governor’s race. Last year, Obama won the state with 51 percent of the vote, the best Democratic presidential performance in Ohio since 1964.
That makes the Senate seat left open by the retirement of GOP Sen. George Voinovich one of the best Democratic pickup opportunities in 2010.
Two Democratic statewide officials are vying for the nomination: Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher and Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, with Fisher leading slightly in the polls.
In the Republican primary, former Rep. Rob Portman is the GOP establishment favorite and leads by a wide margin in polls over Cleveland-area auto dealer Tom Ganley.
Missouri
On the heels of John McCain’s razor-thin, 4,000-vote win over Obama in 2008, Missouri is due for another nail-biter next year in the race to replace retiring GOP Sen. Kit Bond. The contest will most likely be between candidates from two of the state’s most prominent families: Democratic Secretary of State Robin Carnahan and Republican Rep. Roy Blunt.
Carnahan, the daughter of the late Gov. Mel Carnahan and former Sen. Jean Carnahan — and sister to Democratic Rep. Russ Carnahan — was the party’s top pick from the beginning. Blunt, the father of former Gov. Matt Blunt, faced grumbling from many within the state party who worried that the former House minority whip’s Washington ties would serve as a millstone around his candidacy.
A recent Rasmussen poll showed the race deadlocked.
Texas
The Texas Senate seat isn’t open — yet. But GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, who is running for governor against Republican incumbent Rick Perry, has said she will resign her seat later this fall.
If she does step down, Texas law calls for Perry to make an interim appointment to Hutchison’s seat. Then comes a May 2010 special election — an all-party primary, with the two leading vote-getters moving into a runoff if no one wins a majority of the vote. The runoff would be held no more than 25 days later.
While the Republican field is highly fluid, Houston Mayor Bill White, a Democrat, has been methodically building support and would be well-positioned in the special election.
Florida
In the aftermath of the presidential election, the Senate seat held by Republican Mel Martinez looked to be one of the top Democratic targets in 2010.
Obama had just carried the state, and polls suggested Martinez was highly vulnerable. Then, in December 2008, the first-term incumbent announced he would not seek reelection.
His surprise decision scrambled the 2010 field, but the outcome was pretty good for Republicans when popular GOP Gov. Charlie Crist decided to run for the seat and became the clear front-runner.
Crist, who is not popular among conservative activists, has a primary challenge from former state House Speaker Marco Rubio and a credible Democratic opponent in Rep. Kendrick Meek of Miami, but one year out from the election, Crist looks to be in decent shape and ranks as the favorite to keep this seat in GOP hands.
Kentucky
It’s not often that the national party breathes a sigh of relief when an incumbent steps down, but that’s exactly what happened when unpopular and low-on-cash Republican Sen. Jim Bunning announced earlier this year that he would not seek reelection.
The GOP establishment has unofficially settled on Secretary of State Trey Grayson as the pick to succeed the 77-year-old Bunning, but Rand Paul, the son of former presidential candidate and Texas GOP Rep. Ron Paul, is making Grayson work hard to earn the nomination.
Democrats have a competitive primary of their own, featuring two well-known statewide pols: Lt. Gov. Daniel Mongiardo, who nearly defeated Bunning in 2004, and state Attorney General Jack Conway. While Democrats have picked up the governorship and two House seats in recent years, the national party isn’t likely to be an asset in this race (except for its cash infusions, of course). Obama lost the state by a wide margin, and he continues to struggle in Kentucky polls.
Kansas/Massachusetts/Delaware
In solidly Republican Kansas, where GOP Sen. Sam Brownback is giving up his seat to run for governor, the real action is in the GOP primary. Reps. Jerry Moran and Todd Tiahrt are battling for the nomination in a state where no Democrat has won a Senate seat since 1932.
Likewise, in solidly Democratic Massachusetts, the Democratic special election primary to fill the late Sen. Ted Kennedy’s seat is the race to watch. While four credible Democratic candidates have surfaced, the two who are best-known are state Attorney General Martha Coakley and Rep. Michael Capuano.
In Delaware, GOP Rep. Michael Castle's decision to run for Vice President Joe Biden's old seat gives Republicans an excellent shot at picking it up — even if his opponent is Biden's son Beau, the state's attorney general. A recent poll showed Castle with a slight lead.
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#465302 - 10-09-09 02:30 PM
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The Republicans will probably get a net gain of 3-4 seats in the Senate and 20-30 in the House. Maybe enough to take control of the House, maybe not.
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#465305 - 10-09-09 02:40 PM
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What seats do you gain in the Senate, I wont' have you do the House, It's honestly too early to tell as recruitment for those is later, but honestly what seats, Because i'm guessing the demz pick up one or two, lose 3-4, net loss for the Demz 2-3
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#471796 - 10-28-09 09:24 AM
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I've already reviewed the House for you very thoroughly, if you recall. Unfortunately, zero deleted the thread.
In the Senate, you'll lose in Nevada, Connecticut, Arkansas and Pennsylvania. There's a slim chance that you'll lose in Illinois. You might pick one up in either Ohio or Kentucky.
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#471816 - 10-28-09 10:48 AM
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I don't think Blanche Lincoln loses, I dont' think toomey can win,
I'll give you Reid and Dodd, they are in serious trouble, but if we pick up Ohio and Kentucky and Missouri, there is really no net loss there.....
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#471922 - 10-28-09 03:51 PM
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I've got a feeling that an enormous chunk of this thread (between 10/9 and today) has been deleted.
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#471924 - 10-28-09 03:53 PM
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Why do you say that?
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#471925 - 10-28-09 03:53 PM
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NM, tha'ts quite obvious, may be database problems, these programs are almost database based........
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#471935 - 10-28-09 04:20 PM
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What will help tell the story are the results of the NJ and Va Gov races.
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#472076 - 10-29-09 06:43 AM
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All the polls measure people who are sitting at home, answering their phones. They don't measure people who are actually on the way to the voting booth. In this election, demographic groups that normally vote for Democrats (blacks and young people) are not motivated. People who normally vote for Republicans (elderly and middle-aged white people) are highly motivated. They're mad as hell. And the swing voters who voted for Obama last fall are realizing that they were conned by the Chicago machine.
So I think Republican candidates (and in NY23, Doug Hoffman) are going to outperform the polls, past the margin of error.
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#472078 - 10-29-09 06:50 AM
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Going by the past two national elections to guage how the outcome will be just take what RWers are saying and figure just the opposite will be the case. It's fool proof.
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#472079 - 10-29-09 06:53 AM
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h.rapbrown
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Truer words, huh?
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#472408 - 10-30-09 12:39 AM
Re: Why CB is such an enormous douchebag
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toxteth o'grady
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All the polls measure people who are sitting at home, answering their phones.
So they measure you but not me, Frank. That's not improving your odds.
All the pollsters said Obama would win in 2008. So I guess all those stay-at-homes were a good predictor of the election results...
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#472409 - 10-30-09 12:40 AM
Re: Why Frank is such an enormous pus-bag
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toxteth o'grady
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Meanwhile, EJ Dionne says the Gallup Poll on the number of conservatives in the overall population is a red (state) herring...
Is America really becoming more conservative?
If I were a conservative, I would probably tout the new Gallup study showing that conservatives now outnumber moderates, as Bill Kristol did in his column on Tuesday. But I’d be wary of making too much of what is a rather small shift in the ideological self-description of Americans. And out of curiosity, I checked around with other pollsters to see what they were finding. The results were mixed.
First, those Gallup numbers: Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36 percent as moderate, and 20 percent as liberal. “This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group,” Gallup reported of its study based on combining16 surveys for a sample of 16,321.
The shift from 2008 is hardly startling. Conservatives were up three points from 2008, moderates down one and liberals down two. On the other hand, the country was ever so slightly less conservative in the most recent third quarter of the year than it was in the second quarter: According to Gallup, the conservatives’ advantage over moderates went from 6 points in the second quarter to 3 points in the recent quarter. It’s not exactly clear which way the trend is running.
Of course these are all small shifts, and that’s the point: We are not going through some ideological revolution.
I was curious how Gallup’s findings squared with those of other pollsters, so I asked Jon Cohen of The Post and Scott Keeter of the Pew Research Center to run some of their numbers for me, which they kindly did.
In the 2009 Post/ABC News surveys, moderates still lead conservatives. The average for the year: 39 percent moderate, 36 percent conservative, 22 percent liberal. In only one survey did the conservatives “lead” the moderates, by 38 percent to 36 percent. Conservatives will be happy to know that was in the most recent survey.
At Pew, Keeter divided his surveys in half, from January to the end of June and from July to the present.
In the January to June surveys (involving 10,630 interviews), the Pew numbers were: 37.9 percent moderate, 36.9 percent conservative and 19.7 percent liberal
In the Pew surveys since July, there was a shift (of 1.6 percent) toward the conservatives. The numbers were: 38.5 percent conservative, 35.5 percent moderate and 20.1 percent liberal.
Keeter described the 1.6 percent shift toward “conservative” as “on the borderline of statistical significance” and the movement as “glacial.”
It’s important to note that there is a debate over what these ideological labels actually mean to voters. And polls that give respondents the chance of calling themselves “progressive” produce a substantially larger number on the left end of the spectrum, since many who won’t pick the “liberal” label do call themselves “progressive.” A study earlier this year by the Center for American Progress found that when progressive and libertarian were offered as additional options, the country was split almost exactly in half between left and right...
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#472410 - 10-30-09 12:42 AM
Re: Why Frank is such an enormous pus-bag
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toxteth o'grady
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It should also be noted that the conservatives are such uncompromising purists that they have driven the moderates and liberals into opposition. Meaning that in a typical election, the right-wingers are doomed to lose 56%-40%. Sucks to be Frank...
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#472426 - 10-30-09 01:26 AM
Re: Why CB is such an enormous douchebag
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Frank
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If that's anywhere close to being true, then this won't be a typical election in 2010.
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#472433 - 10-30-09 07:44 AM
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gourcko, I think you should trim that mustache. It's making everything you say sound like
***You are ignoring this user***
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#472473 - 10-30-09 10:36 AM
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Gag Reflex
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No Bellwethers In '09 Races
Beware of sweeping conclusions about the results of Tuesday's three high-profile elections.
by Charlie Cook Saturday, Oct. 31, 2009
Reading a lot into the results of odd-year elections is almost always wrongheaded because they involve so few races.
Obviously, if one party sweeps the New Jersey and Virginia gubernatorial contests as well as the special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District, the winning side will crow that this is the most significant political event in a half-century. And, just as obviously, if one party goes 0 for 3, the losing side will offer a dozen moderately legitimate reasons to excuse away its poor performance.
The most likely outcome this year is a split decision. I've held that view even more strongly since talking recently with top officials of the Democratic and Republican governors' associations about the contests in New Jersey and Virginia.
Democrats emphasize that the party holding the White House lost the Virginia governor's race in 1977 and in every contest since then, and lost the New Jersey governor's race in 1989 and ever since. In other words, the party that won the White House one year has lost gubernatorial contests the next year in eight consecutive elections in Virginia and in New Jersey's past five. Such a strong trend is hard to dismiss as coincidental. Some degree of buyer's remorse, disappointment, or counterbalancing seems to be at work.
The most likely outcome of this year's races is a split decision.
Republicans point to other patterns. Virginia, which a great many analysts have held up in recent years as the best example of a previously red state trending Democratic, now seems to be moving pretty convincingly back toward the GOP. Last week, one of the most experienced political journalists in town was going on about what poor a nominee Democrat Creigh Deeds is. My impression is that Deeds isn't a particularly good or bad candidate. His chief problem is that Virginia's independents, who had been leaning strongly toward the Democrats in the last few years, are simply reversing course.
The Virginia GOP helped its prospects by nominating a far better gubernatorial candidate, former state Attorney General Bob McDonnell, than it had in many years. McDonnell is conservative, to be sure, but he does not have hard edges. Style matters. Born and raised in Northern Virginia, he has been able to reduce the Democratic advantage in that critical and fast-growing region.
In New Jersey, GOP nominee Chris Christie is running under the state's public financing system, so he has had to limit his spending to just over $10 million while campaigning in the nation's first- and fourth-most-expensive media markets against a Democratic incumbent with virtually unlimited resources. To add to his degree of difficulty, Christie also faces an independent candidate who was a member of former Republican Gov. Tom Kean's administration and who has gotten some public financing. So, Christie has significant hurdles to clear. But, then again, if the GOP can't beat Gov. Jon Corzine, whose job-approval rating hasn't topped 40 percent in recent memory, can any Republican win the governorship in the Garden State?
Whatever the outcome of this year's New Jersey and Virginia governor's races, the results will depend on conflicting factors that are unlikely to be replicated in many contests next year. Beware, then, of drawing sweeping conclusions.
The special congressional election in upstate New York is looking increasingly like a two-way race, pitting Democratic nominee Bill Owens against Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman. State Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, the GOP nominee, is running third and quickly dropping back even though her party has long held this district. If this turns into a true three-way contest in its final days, Owens will almost certainly win. But if Scozzafava remains almost irrelevant, Hoffman may well prevail.
One take on this race is that local Republican chieftains got caught in a time warp. Back in July, when the party's leaders tapped their nominee, picking a pro-abortion-rights, pro-gay-marriage, pro-card-check, pro-stimulus Scozzafava seemed pragmatic in a district that had voted 52 percent to 47 percent for Barack Obama. Well, that was then and this is now. They ignored the possibility of a Conservative Party nominee jumping in and eating Scozzafava's lunch.
Losing the seat would be a bit painful for the GOP but would not signal much about the party's 2010 prospects elsewhere. After all, how many states have a viable Conservative Party and how many times next year will the GOP nominate someone as liberal as Scozzafava?
In short, take all the grand pronouncements about the results of 2009's trio of high-profile contests with a hefty portion of salt.
Cook Report
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#472476 - 10-30-09 10:43 AM
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Zulif Bystander
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Who are you telling that to, gaga? Yourself? tlb?
The bellwether is, regardless of the outcome, the hilarious splintering of what's left of the rwn party as seen in NY-23. It's always great to watch anti-Americans tearing each other down.
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#472478 - 10-30-09 10:46 AM
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Zulif Bystander
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But it's a far cry from the b/s about how Christie's election was a referendum on Obama's presdiency or about how the Va Gov race tells us all we need to know about how unpopular (especially after the poll that showed Obama's continuing popularity).
So, hope your rwn frinz get the message, gaga.
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#472481 - 10-30-09 11:04 AM
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RosieTheRiveter
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I don't think the race in Virginia says as much about voters rejecting Obama as it does that Deeds and his organizers didn't get a good grasp early on the issues Virginia voters care about right now.
Creigh Deeds has been running an abysmally lazy and lackluster campaign, neglecting opportunities to slam McDonnell in ways that actually matter to voters. Deeds failed to connect with voters at a basic, pocketbook level during a bad economy. Bad strategy.
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#472482 - 10-30-09 11:06 AM
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cubfan
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LOFL!!! If your guy loses, it really doesn't mean anything, but if the other guy loses, well then there is a big ole statement there to be made...
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#472489 - 10-30-09 11:11 AM
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RosieTheRiveter
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I didn't comment on any statements being made, cubfan. I just think Deeds ran a dull campaign. Seems like common sense to me -- in a bad economy, come up with ideas to improve things. Deeds's early numbers indicated he could beat McDonnell. But instead of slugging away on economic issues, he decided to harp on McDonnell's thesis. That's a complete disconnect with most voters, which is why I said it was a bad strategy.
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#472502 - 10-30-09 11:40 AM
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L.A. Red
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gourcko, I think you should trim that mustache. It's making everything you say sound like ***You are ignoring this user***
That looks to be a pretty well-worn device you have there, curiousBi, although I'm not at all surprised.
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#472506 - 10-30-09 11:50 AM
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Zulif Bystander
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LOFL!!! If your guy loses, it really doesn't mean anything, but if the other guy loses, well then there is a big ole statement there to be made...
Are you directing that at "Frank"? It's the one who started the thread, based solely on Charlie Cook's prediction du jour and its own blind stupidity.
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#472525 - 10-30-09 01:01 PM
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CB and RR are just parrots for DU.
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#472526 - 10-30-09 01:05 PM
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Who's DU?
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#472533 - 10-30-09 01:42 PM
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Sounding more like an independent than a Democrat, Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., tells ABC News he will campaign for some Republican candidates during the 2010 midterm elections and may not seek the Democratic Senate nomination when he runs for re-election in 2012.
Lieberman Marching Further Right in 2010
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/independe...tory?id=8952240
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#472536 - 10-30-09 01:51 PM
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h.rapbrown
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TLB, if your little brain can recollect, we said that Joe needs to go over to the republiKKKan side where he belongs. We've been saying it for a looooooong time, bird brain.
And he won't run again because he will get schmeared.
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