#480337 - 11-20-09 05:34 PM
"Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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susano
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Posted by Karl Denninger in Corruption at 12:01
"Global Warming" SCAM - Hack/Leak FLASH
Apparently a "Global Climate Center" was hacked and the contents have been posted to the Internet. A ZIP file exceeding 60MB and containing a huge number of emails and other documents has been posted worldwide.
Original speculation as to whether the files posted were legitimate or some sort of spoof appears to now be confirmed as legitimate:
“It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails.”
I have not had time to read all of the material yet (there are over a thousand files involved!) but what I have skimmed looks VERY damning. Contained within the documents are what appear to be admissions of intentional tampering with data as well as intentional falsification of results to "show" man-made global warming.
One of the emails says:
"I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline."
That is, to hide a decline in global temperatures.
It gets better. Another message, this one allegedly from 2000:
It was good to see you again yesterday - if briefly. One particular thing you said - and we agreed - was about the IPCC reports and the broader climate negotiations were working to the globalisation agenda driven by organisations like the WTO. So my first question is do you have anything written or published, or know of anything particularly on this subject, which talks about this in more detail?
Oh, so it's not about the planet getting warmer, but rather is a convenient means of advancing an agenda that has already been pre-determined?
Then there's this:
In my (perhaps too
> > harsh)
> > view, there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model
> > results by individual authors and by IPCC. This is why I still use
> > results from MAGICC to compare with observed temperatures. At least
> > here I can assess how sensitive matches are to sensitivity and
> > forcing assumptions/uncertainties.
(Pardon the formatting, it's text-mode email 'yanno.)
Guess who that was addressed to? Michael Mann. You know, the (infamous and now discredited) "Mann Hockey Stick"?
Guess where that email originated? NASA.
Yes, I have the file. So do a few million other people.
There's enough evidence in there, in my opinion, of outrageously fraudulent conduct to make this the scandal of the 20th and 21st century.
Sorry folks, there's no science here - this is, from what I see, a massive and outrageous fraud, and now that the documents have been confirmed as authentic it is time to pull the curtain down on this crap and start locking up all of the proponents - starting with AL GORE.
Here are some interesting "meta statistics" on the documents, and the number of times the words referenced appear:
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Fraud: 79
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Falsify: 6
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Inflate: 14
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Conceal: 5
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Hide: 19
Just for starters.
If you think that's bad, you might like this - from the file "ipcc-tar-master.rtf":
General Comments
The idea that climate without human intervention can only undergo “natural variability”, and that “climate change” can only result from human activity is false and fallacious. It is in conflict with all that we know of evolution and geology. It is simply wrong to assume that “ climate change” automatically implies human influence on the climate.
This fallacy is embraced by the Framework Convention on Climate Change, but the IPCC (Footnote to “Summary for Policymakers. Page 1) claim that they are prepared to accept “natural variability” as “climate change”. They are, however, unwilling to accept the truth, which is that climate can change without human intervention.
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47 out of 91 models listed in Chapter 9 assume that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is increasing at the rate of 1% a year when the measured rate of increase, for the past 33 years, has been 0.4% a year. The assumption of false figures in models in order to boost future projections is fraudulent. What other figures are falsely exaggerated in the same way?
Update 12:58 - Oh oh.... From Phil Jones... and its recent:
From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.edu>, "raymond s. bradley" <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>
Subject: A couple of things
Date: Fri May 9 09:53:41 2008
Cc: "Caspar Ammann" <ammann@ucar.edu>
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2. You can delete this attachment if you want. Keep this quiet also, but this is the person who is putting in FOI requests for all emails Keith and Tim have written and received re Ch 6 of AR4. We think we've found a way around this.
And then there's this...
From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: "Michael E. Mann" <mann@meteo.psu.edu>
Subject: IPCC & FOI
Date: Thu May 29 11:04:11 2008
Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He's not in at the moment - minor family crisis.
Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don't have his new email address.
We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!
Cheers
Phil
One has to wonder: was the "way around it" (the FOI) mentioned in the first correspondence to intentionally destroy the emails requested?
http://market-ticker.org/archives/1648-Global-Warming-SCAM-HackLeak-FLASH.html
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#480375 - 11-20-09 09:10 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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Frank
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Yeah, go to sleep, Faptard. The evangelists of the Church of Global Warming have been caught watering down the communion wine.
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#480386 - 11-20-09 09:41 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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susano, you really don't need a high tech internet/e-mail hacking scheme to prove the fraud of global warming.
All you really need is the fact that during the entire period in which the global warming issue has been thrust into the spot light the Earth has in fact been cooling not warming. Since 1998.
Add in documented evidence that the UN specifically elected to use carbon credits as a funding stream for their war on global poverty ( http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/vol15no4/154finan.htm ) and the fact that both the IPCC and the Kyoto protocol are UN sponsored efforts, and that the latter of which would have provided that planned income stream and you have a solid case of fraud.
It doesn't hurt to quote Al Gore openly admitting that he overstated the case for climate change to sell the idea to the general public.
That our public officials are knowingly lying to us to use this fraud as a means to promote income streams, in fact competing to be able to do so, tells us all we need to know about the morality vacuum in DC and this nation.
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#480394 - 11-20-09 09:51 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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susano
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LC, I agree, but having right from the fraudsters own emails is another thing, altogether. Remember our long GW thread, and how the Kool Aid drinkers absolutely refuse to look at the truth. This is undeniable.
These emails are a tad hard to understand, not knowing the lexicon, abreviations, and more, however this looked intersting:
...Mann is said to be writing >something, but he has not yet contacted me, though I just hang up on >that journalist Appell who keeps on ringing. I told him that I will
>deal only directly with Mann. What cheek, after threatening me with
>litigation...Just keep me in the loop. Thanks.
> >Sonja
>PS .By the way The Economist has taken up a previous paper from E&E >(Castles and Henderson, the social science critique of teh emission >scenarios), and teh Australian and UK Treasuries have become involved.
>I have not seen it yet. As you know, I have always argued that the real
>'driver' of teh IPCC deception, if that is the right word, has been on
>teh social /technology forcing side, with focus of WG III.
> >In London I heard two days ago that the WTO might make ratification of
>Kyoto conditional for something Russia wants. The source was speaker
>from the Deutsche Bank, a Justin Mundy, former advisor to the EU
>Commission on EU-Russia coordination and once senior advisor to the
>European Centre for Nature Conservation, he also worked for the World >Bank.)
>Sonja > >On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 09:50:33 -0500
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=382
(I pulled this up using the search word "fraud")
What do you guys make of what she said?
Edited by susano (11-20-09 09:52 PM)
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#480396 - 11-20-09 09:56 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
[Re: susano]
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loosecannon
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LC, I agree, but having right from the fraudsters own emails is another thing, altogether. Remember our long GW thread, and how the Kool Aid drinkers absolutely refuse to look at the truth. This is undeniable.
These emails are a tad hard to understand, not knowing the lexicon, abreviations, and more, however
It's also hard to know that these are real hacked e-mail messages.
I know it can be determined to a fact whether or not they are real, but I am not a hacker, so I can't tell. Can you? What authoritative source will verify them as legit?
And doesn't the hacking itself cast a dim light on the agenda of the hackers who posted this online?
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#480398 - 11-20-09 10:03 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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Oh, Susano, how embarrassing. Even for you, this is tacky and out on the fringes. I don't think even FOX has touched this, have they? Newsflash: a "Global Climate Center" was hacked. The report is evidently from Australia, about the University of East Anglia (in England). (Both Australia and England spell the word "centre.")
My dear, you really, really have to stop doing this. If you have something genuine, who is ever going to believe you?
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#480399 - 11-20-09 10:03 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
[Re: loosecannon]
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susano
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susano, you really don't need a high tech internet/e-mail hacking scheme to prove the fraud of global warming. All you really need is the fact that during the entire period in which the global warming issue has been thrust into the spot light the Earth has in fact been cooling not warming. Since 1998. Add in documented evidence that the UN specifically elected to use carbon credits as a funding stream for their war on global poverty ( http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/vol15no4/154finan.htm ) and the fact that both the IPCC and the Kyoto protocol are UN sponsored efforts, and that the latter of which would have provided that planned income stream and you have a solid case of fraud. It doesn't hurt to quote Al Gore openly admitting that he overstated the case for climate change to sell the idea to the general public. That our public officials are knowingly lying to us to use this fraud as a means to promote income streams, in fact competing to be able to do so, tells us all we need to know about the morality vacuum in DC and this nation.
Damn, I just glanced at your link.
Holy shit, how evil. As if these people ever gave a flying fuck about lifting anyone out of poverty. This is enterprise corruption at it's finest. All this money will go to infrastruture to continue raping places like Africa of their natural resources, and for better control over the slaves. Notice the mention about better tax collection from said slaves, too.
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#480402 - 11-20-09 10:10 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
[Re: BuffaloGal]
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susano
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Oh, Susano, how embarrassing. Even for you, this is tacky and out on the fringes. I don't think even FOX has touched this, have they? Newsflash: a "Global Climate Center" was hacked. The report is evidently from Australia, about the University of East Anglia (in England). (Both Australia and England spell the word "centre.")
My dear, you really, really have to stop doing this. If you have something genuine, who is ever going to believe you?
You are the most brainwashed nitwit I have ever encountered, outside of local UK chatsites that live for beer, footie, and any tripe peddled by the British gov't and press. It's hit the BBC, now, so maybe you'll pay attention. Of course, the denials about content will come, later, which you'll also believe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stm
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#480415 - 11-20-09 11:09 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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susano
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From: Kevin Trenberth
To: Michael Mann
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600
Cc: Stephen H Schneider , Myles Allen , peter stott , “Philip D. Jones” , Benjamin Santer , Tom Wigley , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt , James Hansen , Michael Oppenheimer
Hi all
Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low. This is January weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing weather).
Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning: tracking Earth’s global energy. Current Opinion in Environmental Sustainability, 1, 19-27, doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [1][PDF] (A PDF of the published version can be obtained from the author.)
The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.
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#480449 - 11-21-09 02:14 AM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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BuffaloGal
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That's weather, not climate.
This is also weather:
Energy Probe
17 Nov 2009
Residents in Saskatchewan are enjoying the unseasonably warm November days of late. Temperatures in Saskatoon recently hit 14 degrees C, while in Rosetown they reached 15 C.
And Regina wasn’t far behind, with the high temperature hitting 13 C.
According to Environment Canada's Bill McMurtry, both Saskatoon and Rosetown broke high temperature records set in 2001.
The average high for this time of year is around -2 degreesC.
http://energy.probeinternational.org/yesterdays_weather_all
Weather.
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#480458 - 11-21-09 02:43 AM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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Frank
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That's weather, not climate.
Oh my God. Put 10 years of worldwide cooling "weather" back to back, and what have you got?
By the way, I see that the story has been "touched" by the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=1
... In a 1999 e-mail exchange about charts showing climate patterns over the last two millenniums, Phil Jones, a longtime climate researcher at the East Anglia Climate Research Unit, said he had used a "trick" employed by another scientist, Michael Mann, to "hide the decline" in temperatures.
Dr. Mann, a professor at Pennsylvania State University, confirmed in an interview that the e-mail message was real. He said the choice of words by his colleague was poor but noted that scientists often used the word "trick" to refer to a good way to solve a problem, "and not something secret."
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Yeah, right. "A good way to solve a problem." Sure. Tell me another one. When you're using something called a "trick" to conceal a decline in temperatures, it's clear what you mean by the word: its conventional meaning.
Oh, Susano, how embarrassing. Even for you, this is tacky and out on the fringes. I don't think even FOX has touched this, have they? .... My dear, you really, really have to stop doing this. If you have something genuine, who is ever going to believe you?
BuffaloGal, you're a retard. You only needed to wait a couple of hours, and the story was "touched" by both the left-wing BBC and the left-wing New York Times.
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#480479 - 11-21-09 08:41 AM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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Gag Reflex
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BuffGal: "Oh, Susano, how embarrassing. Even for you, this is tacky and out on the fringes. I don't think even FOX has touched this, have they? "
Your note, BuffGal is indicative that, like a lot of the Truthers on Global Warming, or global climate change, belief in those ideas is a religion and anyone who disagrees is an apostate.
Yeah, I think the NYT is so 'out there' these days on Global Warming...
Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute
By ANDREW C. REVKIN Published: November 20, 2009
Hundreds of private e-mail messages and documents hacked from a computer server at a British university are causing a stir among global warming skeptics, who say they show that climate scientists conspired to overstate the case for a human influence on climate change.
The e-mail messages, attributed to prominent American and British climate researchers, include discussions of scientific data and whether it should be released, exchanges about how best to combat the arguments of skeptics, and casual comments — in some cases derisive — about specific people known for their skeptical views. Drafts of scientific papers and a photo collage that portrays climate skeptics on an ice floe were also among the hacked data, some of which dates back 13 years.
In one e-mail exchange, a scientist writes of using a statistical “trick” in a chart illustrating a recent sharp warming trend. In another, a scientist refers to climate skeptics as “idiots.”
Some skeptics asserted Friday that the correspondence revealed an effort to withhold scientific information. “This is not a smoking gun; this is a mushroom cloud,” said Patrick J. Michaels, a climatologist who has long faulted evidence pointing to human-driven warming and is criticized in the documents.
Some of the correspondence portrays the scientists as feeling under siege by the skeptics’ camp and worried that any stray comment or data glitch could be turned against them.
The evidence pointing to a growing human contribution to global warming is so widely accepted that the hacked material is unlikely to erode the overall argument. However, the documents will undoubtedly raise questions about the quality of research on some specific questions and the actions of some scientists.
In several e-mail exchanges, Kevin Trenberth, a climatologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and other scientists discuss gaps in understanding of recent variations in temperature. Skeptic Web sites pointed out one line in particular: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t,” Dr. Trenberth wrote.
The cache of e-mail messages also includes references to journalists, including this reporter, and queries from journalists related to articles they were reporting.
Officials at the University of East Anglia confirmed in a statement on Friday that files had been stolen from a university server and that the police had been brought in to investigate the breach. They added, however, that they could not confirm that all the material circulating on the Internet was authentic.
But several scientists and others contacted by The New York Times confirmed that they were the authors or recipients of specific e-mail messages included in the file. The revelations are bound to inflame the public debate as hundreds of negotiators prepare to negotiate an international climate accord at meetings in Copenhagen next month, and at least one scientist speculated that the timing was not coincidental.
Dr. Trenberth said Friday that he was appalled at the release of the e-mail messages.
But he added that he thought the revelations might backfire against climate skeptics. He said that he thought that the messages showed “the integrity of scientists.” Still, some of the comments might lend themselves to being interpreted as sinister.
In a 1999 e-mail exchange about charts showing climate patterns over the last two millenniums, Phil Jones, a longtime climate researcher at the East Anglia Climate Research Unit, said he had used a “trick” employed by another scientist, Michael Mann, to “hide the decline” in temperatures.
Dr. Mann, a professor at Pennsylvania State University, confirmed in an interview that the e-mail message was real. He said the choice of words by his colleague was poor but noted that scientists often used the word “trick” to refer to a good way to solve a problem, “and not something secret.”
At issue were sets of data, both employed in two studies. One data set showed long-term temperature effects on tree rings; the other, thermometer readings for the past 100 years.
[b]Through the last century, tree rings and thermometers show a consistent rise in temperature until 1960, when some tree rings, for unknown reasons, no longer show that rise, while the thermometers continue to do so until the present.
Dr. Mann explained that the reliability of the tree-ring data was called into question, so they were no longer used to track temperature fluctuations. But he said dropping the use of the tree rings was never something that was hidden, and had been in the scientific literature for more than a decade. “It sounds incriminating, but when you look at what you’re talking about, there’s nothing there,” Dr. Mann said.
In addition, other independent but indirect measurements of temperature fluctuations in the studies broadly agreed with the thermometer data showing rising temperatures.
Dr. Jones, writing in an e-mail message, declined to be interviewed.
Stephen McIntyre, a blogger who on his Web site, climateaudit.org, has for years been challenging data used to chart climate patterns, and who came in for heated criticism in some e-mail messages, called the revelations “quite breathtaking.”
But several scientists whose names appear in the e-mail messages said they merely revealed that scientists were human, and did nothing to undercut the body of research on global warming. “Science doesn’t work because we’re all nice,” said Gavin A. Schmidt, a climatologist at NASA whose e-mail exchanges with colleagues over a variety of climate studies were in the cache. “Newton may have been an ass, but the theory of gravity still works.”
He said the breach at the University of East Anglia was discovered after hackers who had gained access to the correspondence sought Tuesday to hack into a different server supporting realclimate.org, a blog unrelated to NASA that he runs with several other scientists pressing the case that global warming is true.
The intruders sought to create a mock blog post there and to upload the full batch of files from Britain. That effort was thwarted, Dr. Schmidt said, and scientists immediately notified colleagues at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit. The first posts that revealed details from the files appeared Thursday at The Air Vent, a Web site devoted to skeptics’ arguments.
At first, said Dr. Michaels, the climatologist who has faulted some of the science of the global warming consensus, his instinct was to ignore the correspondence as “just the way scientists talk.”
But on Friday, he said that after reading more deeply, he felt that some exchanges reflected an effort to block the release of data for independent review.
He said some messages mused about discrediting him by challenging the veracity of his doctoral dissertation at the University of Wisconsin by claiming he knew his research was wrong. “This shows these are people willing to bend rules and go after other people’s reputations in very serious ways,” he said.
NYT
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#480481 - 11-21-09 08:46 AM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
[Re: Gag Reflex]
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Gag Reflex
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I think this summarizes the charges...
"Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more."
Telegraph(UK)
One of the scientists:..."If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences. "
This was described correctly...
"Here we have scientists who cling to the theory so tightly that they reject the data. That’s not science; it’s religious belief."
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#480483 - 11-21-09 08:54 AM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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Here are the Truthers on Global Warming trying to manipulate the data to fit their theories...
" Phil, Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs to partly explain the 1940s warming blip. If you look at the attached plot you will see that the land also shows the 1940s blip (as I'm sure you know). So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip.
I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips -- higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from. Removing ENSO does not affect this.
It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with "why the blip"."
PL
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#480502 - 11-21-09 10:44 AM
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Frank
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Manipulating their data to get their desired outcome.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE PROOF.
Expect all the left-wing Church of Global Warming evangelists to run like hell in the direction of the bar thread, never to be seen on this thread again. Faptard will fight a rearguard action by posting some really stupid photoshops of Sarah Palin.
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#480511 - 11-21-09 11:02 AM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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Gore1FL
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Oh my God. Put 10 years of worldwide cooling "weather" back to back, and what have you got?
Less years than the century or so that show it on the rise.
Thanks for another train wreck thread, Susano. You never fail to amuse.
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#480514 - 11-21-09 11:06 AM
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SirCaustic
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wait a minute gore....let me get my video camera.....we all want to see you dance out of this one....
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#480517 - 11-21-09 11:28 AM
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loosecannon
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look if global warming alarmists can pretend that the earth is warming when the credible and widely distributed data says otherwise, then nothing will shake their steadfast adherence to GW dogma.
No proof will be enough.
What matters is how this effects legislation and policy worldwide. And I think it will have some impact on world policy.
China will not take climate scaremongering seriously anymore. And the EU nations will probably be more skeptical. And a lot of folks will allow themselves more consideration of the data disproving GW.
But you gotta take this in perspective. For 10 years the scientific community has conspired in and been tricked into believing that "smoking is good for you" and they believed it and parroted it like it was God's own word.
OUR peer review process is so politicized that peer reviewed scientific opinion is no longer trustworthy. That effects policy across the board. Other nations like Russia, Japan, China and even Israel still have reliable scientific bodies informing their governments. WE don't. That's a massive disadvantage in this technology era.
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#480524 - 11-21-09 11:50 AM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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Genghis
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TGIF asked Jones about the controversial email discussing hiding “the decline”, and Jones explained he was not trying to mislead.
“No, that’s completely wrong. In the sense that they’re talking about two different things here. They’re talking about the instrumental data which is unaltered – but they’re talking about proxy data going further back in time, a thousand years, and it’s just about how you add on the last few years, because when you get proxy data you sample things like tree rings and ice cores, and they don’t always have the last few years. So one way is to add on the instrumental data for the last few years.”
http://www.investigatemagazine.com/australia/latestissue.pdf
There are so many files it appears unlikely that it is a hoax. The effort would be too great.
I'm convinced! That number of files......no way to fake that!
I’ve redacted email addresses and direct phone numbers for the moment. The emails all have US public universities in the email addresses, making them public/FOIA actionable I believe.
The following email proves Global Warming is a hoax!
“It is with deep sadness that the Daly Family have to announce the sudden death of John
Daly.Condolences may be sent to John’s email account (daly@john-daly.com)
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Reported with great sadness
Timo H‰meranta
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
There you have it, John Daly DIED! Do you need any more proof?
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.
Cheers
Phil
Imagine that, he used REAL TEMPS in each series for the last 20 years and the decline disappeared.
TGIF asked Jones about the controversial email discussing “hiding the decline”, and Jones explained what he was trying to say….
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/br...files-released/
Jones told TGIF he had no idea what me meant by using the words “hide the decline”.
“That was an email from ten years ago. Can you remember the exact context of what you wrote ten years ago?”
http://www.investigatemagazine.com/australia/latestissue.pdf
I know it looks as though the two sites contradict one another but I will use real temps to hide the difference.
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#480535 - 11-21-09 12:47 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
[Re: Genghis]
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BuffaloGal
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I was criticizing Susano's sources, which were ridiculous, as usual (see: Alex Jones). Now that more credible media have picked up the story, it has become a more valid issue. I apologize to Susano, btw.
There are several points to consider here.
1. Are all the e-mails authentic? If so,
2. Are the interpretations of the e-mails fair, or gleeful gotchas?
3. Will explanations of the e-mails be sufficient to defend them?
4. How many climate change agencies does this involve?
5. What would show up if climate skeptic websites were hacked?
I believe in global warming, but I'm not totally credulous: there could be error, there could be chicanery, there could be actual lies. But as I've said many times on this site, if humanity is going to err, err on the side of caution, not on the side that ignores or denies there is a problem.
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#480537 - 11-21-09 12:49 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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in other words....Buffy has egg on her face and is trying to wipe it off without the world seeing it...
....thaz ok buffy....our side knew the T R U T H from the outset
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#480539 - 11-21-09 01:10 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
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I believe in global warming, but I'm not totally credulous: there could be error, there could be chicanery, there could be actual lies. But as I've said many times on this site, if humanity is going to err, err on the side of caution, not on the side that ignores or denies there is a problem.
that's nice, but for the fact that there simply hasn't been ANY global warming over the last 11 years. It doesn't exist.
There isn't a problem to deny.
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#480562 - 11-21-09 03:23 PM
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Frank
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that's nice, but for the fact that there simply hasn't been ANY global warming over the last 11 years. It doesn't exist.
There isn't a problem to deny.
That isn't quite accurate, which is something I've noticed about you. Like nearly everything else in nature, the global mean temp has not remained constant for 11 years. There have been brief periods of global cooling, and brief periods of global warming, with the net effect over the past seven years amounting to no change. They cancelled each other out.
Here's the prudent thing to do: instead of just sitting around taking temp readings and faking the data, why don't scientists take a good, hard look at the underlying non-anthropogenic causes (NACs) of climate change? Look at sunspot activity, wobbling of the earth's axis, and all the other factors affecting the amount of sunlight we receive, and figure this out from the other direction?
If the NACs indicate that we should have had increasing global mean temps for 100 years or so, followed by an 11-year period of leveling off (just concluded), will the Church of Global Warming admit they were wrong and shut up?
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#480568 - 11-21-09 03:36 PM
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BG, this is an El Nino year.
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#480576 - 11-21-09 03:52 PM
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that's nice, but for the fact that there simply hasn't been ANY global warming over the last 11 years. It doesn't exist.
There isn't a problem to deny. That isn't quite accurate, which is something I've noticed about you.
excuse me sunshine, but what I said is perfectly accurate. Over the last 11 year period there has been NO global warming. Net zero = net zero. You can parse words but my statement was accurate.
If the NACs indicate that we should have had increasing global mean temps for 100 years or so, followed by an 11-year period of leveling off (just concluded), will the Church of Global Warming admit they were wrong and shut up?
how could we ever do that? We won't know enough about the climate drivers to make such determinations for another 200 years.
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#480577 - 11-21-09 03:53 PM
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Genghis
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Catz
This is also a solar MINIMUM year. But who cares, John Daly is dead! That proves there is no global warming.
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#480581 - 11-21-09 04:15 PM
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Frank
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Now that it's been shown that the Church of Global Warming is an enormous fraud, is there any way to bring Al Gore up on criminal charges?
By the way, now the Associated Press has "touched" the story.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ikaqlFpp9jCRHWN0zNuamKXfyeMgD9C441LG0
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#480582 - 11-21-09 04:15 PM
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Genghis
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I think Al Gore killed John Daly!
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#480583 - 11-21-09 04:17 PM
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al gore should be made to repay all the money he has bilked out of Americans over global bullshyt
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#480584 - 11-21-09 04:20 PM
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Genghis
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Al Gore should pay for killing John Daly. Didn't he realize that killing Daly would disprove global warming?
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#480587 - 11-21-09 04:53 PM
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BuffaloGal
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So many experts on this board. Why don't you all offer your services in the interests of humanity, the planet, and the economy?
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#480589 - 11-21-09 05:00 PM
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Frank
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Al Gore won't return my phone calls.
Maybe we should just sue him for fraud.
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#480590 - 11-21-09 05:01 PM
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So many experts on this board. Why don't you all offer your services in the interests of humanity, the planet, and the economy?
I do ....
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#480592 - 11-21-09 05:10 PM
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I believe in global warming the bible, but I'm not totally credulous: there could be error, there could be chicanery, there could be actual lies. But as I've said many times on this site, if humanity is going to err, err on the side of caution, not on the side that ignores or denies there is a problem.
lol
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#480593 - 11-21-09 05:14 PM
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susano
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that's nice, but for the fact that there simply hasn't been ANY global warming over the last 11 years. It doesn't exist.
There isn't a problem to deny. That isn't quite accurate, which is something I've noticed about you. Like nearly everything else in nature, the global mean temp has not remained constant for 11 years. There have been brief periods of global cooling, and brief periods of global warming, with the net effect over the past seven years amounting to no change. They cancelled each other out. Here's the prudent thing to do: instead of just sitting around taking temp readings and faking the data, why don't scientists take a good, hard look at the underlying non-anthropogenic causes (NACs) of climate change? Look at sunspot activity, wobbling of the earth's axis, and all the other factors affecting the amount of sunlight we receive, and figure this out from the other direction?If the NACs indicate that we should have had increasing global mean temps for 100 years or so, followed by an 11-year period of leveling off (just concluded), will the Church of Global Warming admit they were wrong and shut up?
Because it would be hard to get the developed world to pay global taxes based upon the activity of the sun.
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#480596 - 11-21-09 05:18 PM
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From Africa Recovery, Vol.15 #4, December 2001, page 22
Can the financing gap be closed?
UN panel suggests new international taxes to help fund development
By Jullyette Ukabiala
As aid from rich countries slides further, a UN independent panel on development financing recently proposed new ways of raising more funds to rescue millions of people from poverty -- most of them in sub-Saharan Africa. In 1999, donor countries gave just $12 bn to the region as official development assistance (ODA), $6 bn less than they gave in 1995. Such aid, even at its peak, fell far short of the continent's needs.
The panel, chaired by former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, was set up by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to identify innovative methods for raising the estimated $50 bn needed yearly to implement the UN's commitments to poverty reduction and sustainable growth in developing countries. Its recommendations will be considered by the UN conference on financing for development, to be held in Monterrey, Mexico, in March 2002.
Among the proposals are taxes on the consumption of fossil fuels and on international currency transactions. The panel urges new ways to boost aid and investment flows to poor countries, and to assist countries raise funds from within their own economies through better political and economic management, including by improving their ability to collect domestic taxes. Such efforts would be supported by the establishment of an international tax organization and the holding of a summit that would address problems arising from globalization, the panel stated.
Members agreed that reversing the widening and "shameful" gap between rich and poor countries "is the pre-eminent moral and humanitarian challenge of our age." And sub-Saharan Africa, they noted, should be a priority. "Nowhere is a global commitment to poverty reduction needed more than in this region. Sub-Saharan Africa has the largest proportion of people living on less than one dollar a day, and indeed, its people are almost as poor as they were 20 years ago."
A currency tax
Combating poverty, the panel argued, requires the provision of vital services which strengthen social and political stability, such as peacekeeping, healthcare facilities and programmes for environmental protection -- described collectively as "global public goods." To secure the enormous amount of money needed yearly for that, it said a global system of taxation is necessary, either through a currency transaction tax or a tax on the consumption of fossil fuels.
A currency transaction tax, also known as a "Tobin tax" -- named after Yale University economist James Tobin, who first proposed it -- would have individual countries collect a "small tax" of between 0.1 and 0.5 per cent on all foreign exchange transactions in their national currencies anywhere in the world. With the total value of such transactions currently put at $1,600 bn a day, up to $400 bn yearly would be raised at a minimum tax rate of 0.1 per cent. Each country would keep part of the revenue collected and release the remainder to international agencies funding global public goods.
The panel noted that such a tax could have a side benefit of helping to curb potentially damaging speculative buying and selling of currencies -- aimed at making profit later when prices change. Such "gambling" was in part blamed for the devastating capital outflows that plunged Southeast Asian countries into economic crisis in 1997-98.
The Tobin tax has been criticized on the grounds that it could be evaded, might not actually yield the expected benefits and could unwittingly hurt global economic growth by discouraging financial transactions of all kinds. However, several major industrial nations have voiced support for the tax, which is also backed by a growing coalition of non-governmental organizations (NGOs). The panel decided that "further rigorous technical study is needed" before any conclusions could be reached on its feasibility. Ms. Robin Round, policy analyst for the Halifax Initiative -- one of the NGOs promoting the tax -- told Africa Recovery that the call for further study "gives us an important opening to educate more people about the promises of a Tobin tax and to keep pushing for the consensus necessary to adopt it."
Taxing fuel consumption
The Zedillo panel also proposed a tax on the consumption of fossil fuels. Support for such a "carbon tax" has been growing since the 1992 UN Earth Summit focused international attention on the damage to the environment caused by excessive use of fossil fuels worldwide. The release of greenhouse gases, mainly carbon dioxide from fossil fuels, contributes to global warming and climate change.
The main energy sources that would be affected by a carbon tax include coal, petroleum, kerosene and natural gas. The tax would be reflected in an increase in their price, at a level based on the capacity of each type of fuel to emit carbon dioxide. The higher the carbon content, the higher the minimum tax rate. The tax would likely be collected by fuel vendors. Implementation would not be difficult since many countries already impose taxes on fossil fuels. An additional carbon tax, the panel hoped, should encourage consumers to shift to lower or non carbon-emitting sources of energy, such as hydro-power, solar energy and wind power.
The panel gave no estimates of how much a carbon tax could generate. Industrial countries would agree to release their carbon tax revenue to international organizations funding global public goods. Developing countries would invest their proceeds in their own economies, enabling them to increase public spending.
The panel members agreed that reversing the widening and "shameful" gap between rich and poor countries "is the pre-eminent moral and humanitarian challenge of our age," with sub-Saharan Africa as a priority.
African states, like most other countries, are heavily dependent on fossil fuels for transport and industrial activities in both urban and rural areas. A carbon tax, which would make fuel more expensive for many families, would therefore also reduce the amount of money available for food and other basic necessities. Public demonstrations in countries like Nigeria and Zimbabwe following fuel price increases also indicate that a carbon tax could aggravate social discontent and political instability.
Would such a tax be good or bad for poor African countries? Good, says Ms. Emira Woods, programme manager for development policy issues at InterAction, a US-based coalition of over 165 NGOs, many of which are involved in development and humanitarian activities in Africa. Besides helping to clean
up the environment, it would provide them with more development funding, she notes. Similarly, the deputy director of the regional bureau for Africa of the UN Development Programme (UNDP), Mr. Jacques Loup, told Africa Recovery that a carbon tax in rich countries would help "boost the international resource base for aid to Africa." However, Mr. Geoffrey Mwau, an economic and social policy adviser at the UN Economic Commission for Africa (ECA), cautions that the benefits would be lost if the tax collected from rich countries is treated as a "substitute" for ODA.
An international tax organization
With increasing cross-border movement of goods, services and capital in the world today, states are less able to collect taxes from multinational corporations, the panel observed, bringing substantial losses in potential revenue. Pointing out that taxes have become a potential source of conflicts among states, it noted that "the taxes that one country can impose are often constrained by the tax rates of others." The lack of precise and established regulations for taxing the income of multinational corporations makes it difficult to determine which country is entitled to which tax. All that exists are "complex and in some respects arbitrary conventions," the panel said.
Several international and governmental organizations already deal with international tax issues, including a UN group of experts on international cooperation in tax matters. The panel said a new international tax organization should be created to assume all functions performed by existing institutions. It would serve as a global intergovernmental forum for international cooperation on all tax issues. It would also help resolve conflicts between countries and help them to increase tax revenue by fostering information exchanges and measures that could reduce tax evasion on investment and personal income earned at home and abroad. Funds raised could be used to increase spending on public services.
The capacity of many African states to generate income on their own is often hindered by inefficient tax collection. Mr. Loup of UNDP believes the proposed international tax organization could help African governments reform their tax policies, but it should not interfere with their authority to design their own tax systems. The real problem with the tax policies of African states has more to do with corruption, Mr. Mwau of ECA believes. Most Africans are poor and the small number of the rich from whom substantial taxes could be collected "are able to avoid taxes through corruption." For as long as that remains the case, he argues, tax reforms alone would not help Africa.
Globalizing decision-making
Existing international bodies, "largely designed for the world of fifty years ago," are no longer equipped to address problems arising from the growing interdependence of nations, the panel stated. There are no satisfactory means of dealing with global economic "shocks" and no effective way to ensure that all voices are heard. "Global economic decision-making has become increasingly concentrated in a few countries."
The panel called for the creation of a global council to lead the international community "at the highest level" in managing today's global issues. The council would be more broadly based than the Group of Seven industrialized countries or international financial institutions such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. Its decisions would not be legally binding, but it should have the political clout to promote development, encourage major international economic organizations to improve their policies and build consensus for resolving global economic and social problems. The panel recommended that the UN convene after next year's Mexico conference, a "globalization summit" of heads of state to decide on the shape and status of such a global council.
African leaders and advocacy groups have been complaining about the continent's increasing marginalization and impoverishment as a result of globalization and are not sure how the proposed global council and summit could benefit them. They "would be worthwhile," Mr. Loup said, so long as they devote adequate attention to issues that seriously affect Africa -- crippling debt, aid flows, information and communication technology, market access and the environment. Mr. Lamin Manneh, UNDP's strategic and regional programme adviser for Africa, said more needs to be known about how a global council would help resolve "the problems we face today." A special forum or channel, he argued, should be created to enable African countries to express their concerns forcefully within the new institutions. The "big problem" is that the council would not have binding legal authority, says Ms. Woods, who nevertheless remains optimistic about the potential benefits of a global council to African states.
The ECA's Mr. Mwau notes that "attempts to deal with global issues through the existing mechanisms have failed not just because the institutional arrangements for dealing with them are inadequate, but more fundamentally because there is no political will." The creation of a new global council by itself would not help unless the international community commits to enforcing the council's decisions. African states, he argues, would benefit only if they are not excluded from making those decisions.
http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/vol15no4/154finan.htm
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#480597 - 11-21-09 05:20 PM
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Central America demands billions in climate damages
48 mins ago
GUATEMALA CITY (AFP) – Central American nations will demand 105 billion dollars from industrialized countries for damages caused by global warming, the region's representatives said on Friday.
Central American environment ministers gathered in Guatemala to discuss the so-called "ecological debt" owed to them and to set out a common position ahead of climate talks in Copenhagen next month.
Guatemalan environment minister Luis Ferrate said the 105-billion-dollar price tag was "an estimate" of the damage done by climate change across 16 sectors in Belize, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Panama.
Ferrate minister said the region "had never faced" so much drought, aridity, flooding, and precarious food security.
A formal proposal will be presented in Denmark, officials said.
His Nicaraguan counterpart Juana Arguenal said that Central America would press industrialized countries to reach concrete decisions to reduce "greenhouse" gases at Copenhagen.
"We hope for a deal that is ethical and moral," she said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091121/sc_af...ntcentamwarming
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#480604 - 11-21-09 06:00 PM
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wait a minute gore....let me get my video camera.....we all want to see you dance out of this one....
What is there to dance out of? Susano posts a typical Susano thread. It is to Frank's liking, so he misrepresents data by only including the specific information that supports his point of view.
There is not only no dance here, there isn't any music.
It will be interesting to see how the story progresses in the hands of credible sources.
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#480622 - 11-21-09 06:32 PM
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I only read about a fourth of the first post on this thread and backed off once I saw not only was it a hacker that done the deed but was also written by another of the RW blogspots. First off when one comes to court with dirty hands they lose. Believe it or not this is a court of public opinion. Next off, it came from a Right wing blog and was written by a Right Wing Nut and we all know what their game is and how its played. So why waste time reading their prattle?
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#480623 - 11-21-09 06:36 PM
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UPDATE 11
Keeping sceptic Chris de Freitas out of the IPCC reports:
The other paper by MM is just garbage – as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well – frequently as I see it. I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. K and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked/
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#480625 - 11-21-09 06:38 PM
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I only read about a fourth of the first post on this thread and backed off once I saw not only was it a hacker that done the deed but was also written by another of the RW blogspots. First off when one comes to court with dirty hands they lose. Believe it or not this is a court of public opinion. Next off, it came from a Right wing blog and was written by a Right Wing Nut and we all know what their game is and how its played. So why waste time reading their prattle?
Market Ticker is not a right wing site, dumbass.
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#480630 - 11-21-09 07:04 PM
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The Double Wides from Oklahoma are classic examples of left-wing retardation in action. Julie is one of them. The other is OhMy. They bring a trailer park fundamentalism to the Church of Global Warming. If you post something that isn't consistent with their "all Republicans are child molesters and wear diapers, the ice caps are melting and we'll all drown" dysfunctionality, they'll just refuse to read it.
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#480638 - 11-21-09 07:37 PM
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#480649 - 11-21-09 08:02 PM
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It will be interesting to see how the story progresses in the hands of credible sources.
Word.
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#480659 - 11-21-09 08:18 PM
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susano
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It will be interesting to see how the story progresses in the hands of credible sources. Word.
Oh, you mean that a story that was broken by bloggers, and admitted as true by the university in question, has to be run through your accepted mind control filters.
hahaha
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#480661 - 11-21-09 08:21 PM
Re: "Climate change" scammers get their emails hacked
[Re: susano]
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BuffaloGal
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No, although I take your point. It's more the fact that the more credible sources have to take a lot more responsibility for what they write, and are held far more accountable than the dubious sources you initially quoted. Hence their increased credibility.
That's not to say that they don't have an agenda, and don't hew to it - of course they do. But they can't be quite as blatant as bloggers, conflating facts with opinions, e.g.
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