#501328 - 01-21-10 08:32 PM
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So we're going to be 17% below 2005 levels of greenhouse gas emissions? How many jobs will that cost?
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#501361 - 01-21-10 09:41 PM
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It's amazing what a bureaucrat will say. I don't think he can actually enforce that, can he?
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#501366 - 01-21-10 09:54 PM
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So we're going to be 17% below 2005 levels of greenhouse gas emissions? How many jobs will that cost?
None. The introduction of a Green industry will create jobs. New industries require people to work in them.
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#501388 - 01-21-10 10:51 PM
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That is the most simplistic, and wrong economics I've heard of, Gorelost. Crack open a book. Read Keynes "General Theory of Employment, Interest and Income."
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#501399 - 01-21-10 10:59 PM
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So we're going to be 17% below 2005 levels of greenhouse gas emissions? How many jobs will that cost? None. The introduction of a Green industry will create jobs. New industries require people to work in them.
There's no money in "Green Industry." Otherwise, you and Al Gore wouldn't need to use government power to force people to create it. The profit incentive would be all you'd need.
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#501407 - 01-21-10 11:16 PM
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There's no money in "Green Industry." Otherwise, you and Al Gore wouldn't need to use government power to force people to create it. The profit incentive would be all you'd need.
GDP doesn't care what an industry is. It can make bombs, kill people, starve people, enrich people or eradicate mankind. GDP doesn't care.
There is as much money in a "green" industry as there is in TV, or movies.
There isn't yet as much "demand" for it. But like war, Nike apparel and junk food you can easily create a demand for anything by manufacturing it.
Al Gore's vision of a green economy was one of the best ideas he ever had. His attempts at launching it reeked of bs and worse.
I don't want to be scared into starting a war based on false threats anymore than i wanna be scared into saving the planet based on false threats.
Global warming is on a par with the red scare and the terror threat/islamofascist threat.
Ask Goebbels.
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#501408 - 01-21-10 11:18 PM
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lc: 'GDP doesn't care what an industry is. It can make bombs, kill people, starve people, enrich people or eradicate mankind. GDP doesn't care."
Suggest you crack open Keynes as well.
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#501410 - 01-21-10 11:19 PM
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That is the most simplistic, and wrong economics I've heard of, Gorelost. Crack open a book. Read Keynes "General Theory of Employment, Interest and Income."
How about just quoting me the part that states creating additional industries costs jobs.
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#501413 - 01-21-10 11:24 PM
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Speaking of self-preservation by politicians, 3 Dem Senators sponsor legislation to block any regulation of greenhouse gasses...
Sending message to Obama, Democrats join effort to block regulation of heat-trapping gases
DINA CAPPIELLO Associated Press Writer January 21, 2010
WASHINGTON (AP) — Three Democratic senators are joining an effort to block the Obama administration from taking steps to reduce the pollution blamed for global warming.
Democrats Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas have signed onto a resolution introduced Thursday by Republican Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. The measure, which must pass Congress and be signed by the President, would bar the Environmental Protection Agency from issuing regulations to control greenhouse gases.
The EPA has taken steps to reduce greenhouse gases using existing law as it has waited for Congress to pass legislation. A Senate bill limiting heat-trapping gases has stalled...
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#501416 - 01-21-10 11:29 PM
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lc: 'GDP doesn't care what an industry is. It can make bombs, kill people, starve people, enrich people or eradicate mankind. GDP doesn't care."
Suggest you crack open Keynes as well.
please enlighten me! PLEASE! I can't wait!
GDP is a measure of econ activity. It could be making crack cocaine or sweaty hookers going down on longshoreman, or even Madoff's false earnings, GDP doesn't care.
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#501483 - 01-22-10 09:45 AM
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Economic growth, as Keynes wrote, is determined by investment (called exogenous spending) not consumption (called endogenous spending.)
Econ 101 - open the book.
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#501488 - 01-22-10 10:01 AM
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The introduction of a Green industry will create jobs. New industries require people to work in them.
...and massive federal spending creates jobs .....and a big tax on the rich will just mean more money in the treasury and will have no adverse effect on the economy ...and a man in a red suit delivers toys to a billion children in one night.
The immature,lazy intellect of the liberal on full display.
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#501769 - 01-22-10 07:33 PM
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Economic growth, as Keynes wrote, is determined by investment (called exogenous spending) not consumption (called endogenous spending.)
Econ 101 - open the book.
Keynes was the father of "demand" side econ. Demand and consumption are not identical. But close enough. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/KeynesianEconomics.html
All of which has jack shit to do with the fact that GDP doesn't care what the industry is. For example 70% of our economy is now service. Whereas 100 years ago 70% of it was agriculture, and 60 years ago 70% of it was industry. GDP doesn't care. War disease, decadence, industry, foo foo services are all the same to GDP.
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#501857 - 01-23-10 12:51 AM
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Well said, and something to think about. Service the same as agriculture! True, though.
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#501860 - 01-23-10 12:57 AM
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Economic growth, as Keynes wrote, is determined by investment (called exogenous spending) not consumption (called endogenous spending.)
Econ 101 - open the book.
So therefore investing in green industry = growth.
Thanks for backing me up on this.
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#501881 - 01-23-10 07:19 AM
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You don't understand, Gorelost, what exogenous spending is. Crack open the book.
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#501886 - 01-23-10 08:34 AM
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I'm still waiting for the quote from you. You know this one:
How about just quoting me the part that states creating additional industries costs jobs.
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#501899 - 01-23-10 09:21 AM
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Here's how it costs jobs, GoreLost.
Obama and the Democrats write laws that require the spending of billions of dollars on "green" energy production: solar power and wind power. The average cost of residential electricity was 12¢/kWh in April 2009. But if electrical energy produced by wind power and solar power is 20¢/kWh, who's going to buy it?
Jobs will temporarily be created, just as jobs were temporarily created by the dot-com boom. These temporary jobs will last just long enough for workers to become accustomed to having them: committing themselves to enormous mortgages, credit card debt and car loans. Then the new "green" companies will fold because they can't sell their electricity. The workers will be laid off. Their cars will be repossessed, their houses will be foreclosed, and they'll declare bankruptcy.
Those billions of dollars that were used to temporarily create jobs could instead be used to create real jobs, in real energy industries. These would be jobs that last. Those are the jobs that wasting billions of dollars creating "green" industry would cost us.
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#501984 - 01-23-10 11:14 AM
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But if electrical energy produced by wind power and solar power is 20¢/kWh
Do you have a credible link for this? If so does this cost take into account the economies of scale, or does it only take into account the the price in small volumes?
(actually I have provided numbers in the past that show Solar pays for itself in less than two decades at current prices in an argument with caustic.)
who's going to buy it?
There are already people making the purchase nation wide.
Jobs will temporarily be created
This is based only on your false assumpptions above.
Those billions of dollars that were used to temporarily create jobs could instead be used to create real jobs, in real energy industries.
Solar and wind are real energies. Perhaps you should read a science book instead of pretending to read one on economics.
These would be jobs that last.
Because we all know wind and solar are finite and oil, gas and coal are infinite in supply...
Those are the jobs that wasting billions of dollars creating "green" industry would cost us.
Based entirely of demonstrably dubious logic.
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#501987 - 01-23-10 11:16 AM
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What pacel of lies that the global warming "scientists"spewed, will be uncovered today?
Edited by Catz (01-23-10 11:17 AM)
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#501991 - 01-23-10 11:19 AM
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Fox is running that the UN guy who admitted trouble with the Himalaya data is now saying there is possibly trouble with other data. I doubt it's a real admission, but they are keeping up the pressure on these idiots with the made-up numbers.
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#502008 - 01-23-10 11:28 AM
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What pacel of lies that the global warming "scientists"spewed, will be uncovered today?
Probably the same amount as usual: none.
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#502024 - 01-23-10 11:41 AM
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Gore, aren't you tired of being laughed at yet? Give it up, you'd be much happier.
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#502036 - 01-23-10 11:46 AM
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I am not the one laughed at here, Catzie. You are the one who has provided articles on this very thread that support my arguments instead of your own.
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#502042 - 01-23-10 11:48 AM
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Then why are so many lying reports coming out, one after the other?
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#502113 - 01-23-10 03:34 PM
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Then why are so many lying reports coming out, one after the other?
Because the Global warming deniers like to lie, I guess.
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#502121 - 01-23-10 05:13 PM
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Then why are so many lying reports coming out, one after the other? Because the Global warming deniers like to lie, I guess.
Thank you for the example of the deniers lies.
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#502124 - 01-23-10 05:59 PM
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Here is yet ANOTHER debunking out today 1/23 ---
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UN wrongly linked global warming to natural disasters
Times Online - Jonathan Leake - 1 hour ago
THE United Nations climate science panel faces new controversy for wrongly linking global warming to an increase in the number and severity of natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods.
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The whole scam is falling apart at once, looks like. Good.
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#502126 - 01-23-10 06:02 PM
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Will GoreLost be the last to figure it out, or the last to admit it?
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#502127 - 01-23-10 06:05 PM
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The we-want-to-be-famous crowd caught me in the '70s, with the Ice Age Coming! Ice Age Coming! nonsense, so I have some sympathy with people who got fooled by all this.
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#502132 - 01-23-10 06:19 PM
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Will GoreLost be the last to figure it out, or the last to admit it?
No, you RWers will be the last to figure it out. Just like always.
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#502145 - 01-23-10 08:34 PM
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It's sadly funny to watch the deniers claim science as an ally.
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#502162 - 01-24-10 12:43 AM
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Goron, the science has never supported the alarmists. The era of global warming alarmism all occurred within a period of warming remission 11 years long.
I know you are near the brink of suicide after the dems got castrated by Brown and the SC, but seriously dude, it is over. The world is eager to forget the "science" fiction of global warming.
Hell froze over, so to speak. The "science" fiction is all unraveling. IT WAS A HOAX!
Move on dude. You are forging nonsense arguments in defense of the indefensible.
virtually NONE of the green alternative energies are cost effective except electric cars. Whose batteries are not yet advanced enough to entice popular use.
And paying for themselves over 20 years is not a valid endorsement for solar cells. Their average life expectancy is less than 20 years. And you of all people should HOPE that some better technology arrives in less than 20 years making today's solar panels obsolete.
Meaning that we should all hope that today's solar cells are a fool's venture. Right GORON? Because that is how industry looks at it. If it is (tax break) subsidized to compensate for risk, do it! If not, screw it!
You want a CEO's phone number from the nation's largest alt energy company to confirm that to your satisfaction, deary?
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#502164 - 01-24-10 02:19 AM
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You're arguing the same arguments that was destroy a while back on this and other threads.
I (and others) did the math, showed our work, and everything.
Science has never supported the deniers.
But sure, post the number to the direct line of the CEO from the nation's largest alt energy company to confirm.
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#502165 - 01-24-10 06:13 AM
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You're arguing the same arguments that was destroy a while back on this and other threads.
...which is what makes CG so boring after awhile. Sure, it's fun to laff at gaga and "Frank" at first, but then the fourth time the same line of illogical b/s based on wild supposition and undigested factoids gets trotted out, my eyes glase over. And then the painfully ironic urging that the normal people go "read a book."
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#502176 - 01-24-10 08:23 AM
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CB, the global warming meme is dead.
You'll have to accept that sooner or later --- I did, when the 70s "Ice Age" ran out --- but take your time.
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#502183 - 01-24-10 08:43 AM
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UN climate panel blunders again over Himalayan glaciers
Times Online - Jonathan Leake - 4 hours ago 1/24/2010
The chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), has used bogus claims that Himalayan glaciers were melting to win grants worth hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Rajendra Pachauri's Energy and Resources Institute (TERI), based in New Delhi, was awarded up to £310,000 by the Carnegie Corporation of New York and the lion's share of a £2.5m EU grant funded by European taxpayers.
It means that EU taxpayers are funding research into a scientific claim about glaciers that any ice researcher should immediately recognise as bogus. The revelation comes just a week after The Sunday Times highlighted serious scientific flaws in the IPCC's 2007 benchmark report on the likely impacts of global warming.
The report warned that climate change was likely to melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 - an idea considered ludicrous by most glaciologists. Last week a humbled IPCC retracted that claim and corrected its report.
Since then, however, The Sunday Times has discovered that the same bogus claim has been cited in grant applications for TERI.
One of them, announced earlier this month just before the scandal broke, resulted in a £310,000 grant from Carnegie.
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Uh-huh. So it's not JUST about making themselves important --- it's also about stealing money hand over fist.
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#502184 - 01-24-10 08:44 AM
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To show how stupid Gore can be, that link had nothing to do with any drilling accident.
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#502222 - 01-24-10 10:39 AM
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KKKitty, why do you even post here on this topic? You can't even read a Doppler weather map. 
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#502228 - 01-24-10 11:32 AM
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Is the dopler posted at your day school?
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#502240 - 01-24-10 11:57 AM
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To show how stupid Gore can be, that link had nothing to do with any drilling accident.
Where do you suppose the oil came from? Did it originate on the ships?
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#502329 - 01-24-10 02:49 PM
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Click on your own link, Rosie. It provides a long list of more links. I've looked at the list. Many of them are for items such as "packaging," "recycling" and "toy manufacturing." This last example is perhaps the most disingenuous, since Lego has always been environmentally sensitive. They just make their little toys out of wood. Nothing new about that.
GoreLost and I were talking about the generation of energy, Rosie. Not packaging or recycling or toy manufacturing, but the generation of energy that is cost-effective: that can compete in an unsubsidized market with 12¢/kWh energy produced by fossil fuels. In that context, less than half of the links listed have anything to do with energy generation.
Those are the links that I clicked on. And we see that they haven't actually developed any new, cost-effective ways to generate energy. They're trying to develop them, and much of the money listed is being devoted to research and development. But they aren't producing cost-effective energy yet. Nor are they creating the number of jobs that lowering our greenhouse gas emissions to 17% below 2005 levels will cost us.
That's the context of the discussion, Rosie. And as always, you ignored the context to make a failed attempt at a "Gotcha."
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#502331 - 01-24-10 02:52 PM
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You tell me Gore, where was that oil drilled?
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#502336 - 01-24-10 03:08 PM
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Is the dopler posted at your day school?
It's 'Doppler', drop out. Get a book.
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#502337 - 01-24-10 03:13 PM
Re: The Science is Settled:
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Gore1FL
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Registered: 02-22-02
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You tell me Gore, where was that oil drilled?
Pemex. Not that it matters. It could have been from 1/2 way around the world, or a local site. You don't have to ship sun and wind. That is the point.
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#502349 - 01-24-10 05:23 PM
Re: The Science is Settled:
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Gag Reflex
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Registered: 11-30-01
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As Phebe mentioned above, the idea that the Himalaya glaciers were going to melt was a lie, not a mistake.
Like the connection made in An Inconvenient Truth between Hurricane Katrina and global warming (now called by Gore 'climate change') it was a falsehood based on the ethical standards of Al Gore, who has argued that it's ok to lie in the cause of raising alarm about global warming...
Gore: "I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it [global warming] is"
In other words " HIDE THE DECLINE"
Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn't been verified
By David Rose
The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.[/b]
Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.
In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action.
‘It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.’
Chilling error: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change wrongly asserted that glaciers in the Himalayas would melt by 2035
Dr Lal’s admission will only add to the mounting furore over the melting glaciers assertion, which the IPCC was last week forced to withdraw because it has no scientific foundation.
According to the IPCC’s statement of principles, its role is ‘to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis, scientific, technical and socio-economic information – IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy’.
The claim that Himalayan glaciers are set to disappear by 2035 rests on two 1999 magazine interviews with glaciologist Syed Hasnain, which were then recycled without any further investigation in a 2005 report by the environmental campaign group WWF.
It was this report that Dr Lal and his team cited as their source.
The WWF article also contained a basic error in its arithmetic. A claim that one glacier was retreating at the alarming rate of 134 metres a year should in fact have said 23 metres – the authors had divided the total loss measured over 121 years by 21, not 121.
Last Friday, the WWF website posted a humiliating statement recognising the claim as ‘unsound’, and saying it ‘regrets any confusion caused’.
Dr Lal said: ‘We knew the WWF report with the 2035 date was “grey literature” [material not published in a peer-reviewed journal]. But it was never picked up by any of the authors in our working group, nor by any of the more than 500 external reviewers, by the governments to which it was sent, or by the final IPCC review editors.’
In fact, the 2035 melting date seems to have been plucked from thin air.
Daily Mail
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#502351 - 01-24-10 05:41 PM
Re: The Science is Settled:
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Frank
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The Church of Global Warming is based on a false doctrine, a lot of faith, and none of the skepticism one expects to see among the practitioners of a science.
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