#502352 - 01-24-10 05:41 PM
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They're hiding the decline. Just like the guys at the University of East Anglia.
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#502357 - 01-24-10 06:29 PM
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I wonder if the sudden implosion of the Global warming myth had much to do with a sudden sea change in the MA senate race. At first glance you say "unrelated" But the timing suggests otherwise.
The left promoted a worldwide scam intended to steer global policy. Nobody likes being lied to. How can you trust "leadership" that is either foolish enough, or dishonest enough to try to hoodwink the nation and the world to advance a policy agenda?
Lately it seems as if unrelated events are in fact conspiring in league to shatter the lies of men. Maybe the Earth didn't like being used as a prop.
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#502360 - 01-24-10 06:36 PM
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Science actually. It ia the Deniers are based on a false doctrine, a lot of faith. The Deniers are skeptical, but not of the science--they just cannot bring themselves to not politicize everything if they believe it will do them short-term good.
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#502393 - 01-24-10 09:15 PM
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Speaking of Deniers. Who will Deny the moon landings first, Frank or LC?
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#502397 - 01-24-10 09:21 PM
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Why does GORON sound exactly like one of those flat earth whackos?
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#502400 - 01-24-10 09:30 PM
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Why does GORON sound exactly like one of those flat earth whackos?
Not sure why it would seem like that to you.
I would guess someone who believes in the moon landings would believe the earth is round due to the photographic evidence provided from the moon flights--and for that matter Mercury, Gemini, and the STS flights etc.
Therefore, I guess I don't sound like a flat earth whacko at all. It is you denier types that do.
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#502427 - 01-25-10 12:07 AM
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GORON IS a flat earther!
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#502433 - 01-25-10 01:17 AM
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Why would I be a Flat Earther? I am the one in the conversation that believes in Science.
Rest assured the Earth is essentially spherical.
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#502436 - 01-25-10 01:36 AM
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Click on your own link, Rosie. It provides a long list of more links. I've looked at the list. Many of them are for items such as "packaging," "recycling" and "toy manufacturing."
Most are for renewable energy sources, and those will be industries that create jobs in a more sustainable environment: some now, more later.
Those are the links that I clicked on. And we see that they haven't actually developed any new, cost-effective ways to generate energy. They're trying to develop them, and much of the money listed is being devoted to research and development. But they aren't producing cost-effective energy yet.
Have to start somewhere. And we better start moving out of the oil rut we're in. The oil companies know that better than anyone. An added benefit is lowered greenhouse emissions.
This last example is perhaps the most disingenuous, since Lego has always been environmentally sensitive. They just make their little toys out of wood. Nothing new about that.
Wood? I'm surprised a man who claims to be as young as you are doesn't know anything about Legos since they were around when you were a kid. It's impossible to ever take you seriously since each of your posts proves how little you know about anything, Frank, even the smallest details.
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#502441 - 01-25-10 01:56 AM
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I wonder when Legos were made out of wood. If it were tinker toys, that would be another story.
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#502442 - 01-25-10 01:58 AM
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Or Lincoln Logs.
Legos may have been made of wood when they first came out in the '30s, though. But those are likely all in collections now.
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#502444 - 01-25-10 02:01 AM
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Perhaps Frank doesn't know the difference between Wood and Plastic. We know he isn't the fastest on the uptake. Perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt!
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#502454 - 01-25-10 07:51 AM
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Sorry ladies, I'm not an expert on children's toys. Lincoln Logs, Legos, whatever.
The fact remains that Lego hasn't made any change or improvement in its manufacturing techniques.
I suppose that the brutal hammering your party has taken in the real world leaves you only this to crow about: Frank is not an expert on children's toys. So enjoy your small victory. We'll take Ted Kennedy's Senate seat, the complete emasculation of Democrats in Congress, the defeat of the so-called "health care reform" bill and the restoration of corporate rights to donate to Republican political campaigns, and you take this pathetic little giggle at my expense.
That sounds like a great deal to me.
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#502472 - 01-25-10 08:37 AM
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I wonder if the sudden implosion of the Global warming myth had much to do with a sudden sea change in the MA senate race. At first glance you say "unrelated" But the timing suggests otherwise.
The left promoted a worldwide scam intended to steer global policy. Nobody likes being lied to. How can you trust "leadership" that is either foolish enough, or dishonest enough to try to hoodwink the nation and the world to advance a policy agenda?
Yes, it's all blowing up at once. People were disillusioned with all the lies and failure, and have quite suddenly lost faith in several types of lies and failures at once.
Good observation, I think --- the timing of it all blowing up at once is not a coincidence, it's a sudden awakening: these leftwing people are lying to us about EVERYthing!
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#502506 - 01-25-10 09:44 AM
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Gorelost: "Why would I be a Flat Earther? I am the one in the conversation that believes in Science."
No, you don't. Your a apostle of AGW, who, despite all the facts arrayed against your faith, you still believe.
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#502509 - 01-25-10 09:46 AM
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The fact remains that Lego hasn't made any change or improvement in its manufacturing techniques.
1> If find that hard to believe considering the wealth of new Lego products they have developed in my lifetime.
2> Does Lego make Solar Panels?
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#502511 - 01-25-10 09:53 AM
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The fact about global warming is, there are no facts about global warming.
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#502513 - 01-25-10 09:56 AM
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Sound like Fight Club, Catz. 
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#502516 - 01-25-10 10:04 AM
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Does Lego make Solar Panels?
I thought you were supposed to be the Capitol Grilling expert on Lego products. Keep us posted.
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#502526 - 01-25-10 10:27 AM
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The American people are a lot smarter than Gorelost, ranking Global Warmning as 21st out of 21 issues in terms of importance...
Pew Research Center
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#502536 - 01-25-10 10:39 AM
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Why would I be a Flat Earther? I am the one in the conversation that believes in Science.
Rest assured the Earth is essentially spherical.
Maybe Gore1 believes in science but it is becoming readily apparent that the hacks at the IPCC don't:
Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn't been verified - Daily Mail - 01/24/2014
The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.
Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.
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One of the problems bedevilling Himalayan glacier research is a lack of reliable data. But an authoritative report published last November by the Indian government said: ‘Himalayan glaciers have not in any way exhibited, especially in recent years, an abnormal annual retreat.’
When this report was issued, Raj Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, denounced it as ‘voodoo science’.
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#502544 - 01-25-10 10:50 AM
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When the science is not alarmist enough, the 'scientists' create some alarm out of whole cloth - going all Saul-Alinsky on anyone who dares to object to their lies.
One real scientist calls out the IPCC chief for calling his work 'voodoo science' - any disciple of Saul Alinksky would recognize that as a way to avoid the science and concentrate on the alarmism...
Raina demands apology for Pachauri’s ‘voodoo science’ comment
Aarti Dhar
V.K. Raina, the former Deputy Director-General of the Geological Survey of India -- whose research document on the Himalayan glaciers debunked the claims of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that these glaciers would disappear by 2035 -- is not satisfied by the regret expressed by the United Nations agency.
“I want a personal apology from the IPCC chairperson R.K. Pachauri who had described my research as voodoo science,” Mr. Raina told The Hindu over phone from Panchkula. “Forget IPCC, Dr. Pachauri has not even expressed regret over what he said after my report -- Himalayan Glaciers: a state-of-art review of glacial studies, glacial retreat and climate change -- was released in November last year.”
With over 100 scientific papers and three books to his credit, Mr. Raina said he had not read the Fourth Assessment Report of the IPCC that made the prediction on melting of the Himalayan glaciers, but read the contents only from what was published in newspapers and magazine.
“But all along I knew that this was not based on facts. During my 50 years of research and several expeditions to the region, I never found anything as sensational as was predicted in the IPCC, but no one heard me then.”
It was only after he was asked by the Minister of Environment and Forests to come out with a report that a global debate was initiated on the issue.
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#502546 - 01-25-10 10:53 AM
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Why do you care about any of this, putz?
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#502548 - 01-25-10 10:54 AM
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Sort of the way the discovery of Piltdown Man negated Darwin.
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#502550 - 01-25-10 10:54 AM
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We enjoy watching the left-wing retards implode.
Like you, for example. Say "niggers" again. It always makes me laugh.
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#502551 - 01-25-10 10:55 AM
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“I want a personal apology from the IPCC chairperson R.K. Pachauri who had described my research as voodoo science,” Mr. Raina told The Hindu over phone from Panchkula. “Forget IPCC, Dr. Pachauri has not even expressed regret over what he said after my report -- Himalayan Glaciers: a state-of-art review of glacial studies, glacial retreat and climate change -- was released in November last year.”
I don't know.........looks to me like Voodoo works, but this pile of lies doesn't. I mean, look at Bush's shrunken head in Haiti, but the Himalayan glacier thing was apparently simply made up from beginning to end, to get money out of naive American foundations.
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#502554 - 01-25-10 10:57 AM
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What I love the best is that the lice who are eating the nits don't realize that it's like saying that Clifford Irving lied in creating his biography of Hughes, therefore all biographies are lies and all biographers are liars.
It's fun watching gaga spewing spittle while he posts, but the scene gets to be a little dull after awhile.
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#502557 - 01-25-10 10:58 AM
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We enjoy watching the left-wing retards implode.
Like you, for example. Say "niggers" again. It always makes me laugh.
You deride people who believe that we're destroying the planet. Why do you care?
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#502559 - 01-25-10 11:02 AM
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Piltdown Man, faked biographies.........
CB, could you please post a few MORE examples of how a certain skepticism is advisable before swallowing hook, line, and sinker of pronouncements people make to get money and fame for themselves??
Come on, CB, you seem to be a veritable fount of scams of this sort, like "global warming."
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#502561 - 01-25-10 11:03 AM
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Why do YOU care, Pheebs? What's it to you?
Edited by OhMy (01-25-10 11:03 AM)
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#502574 - 01-25-10 11:16 AM
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"CB, you seem to be a veritable fount of scams of this sort"
...like all the scams you've perpetrated on Sarah Palin, cb.
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#502884 - 01-25-10 10:10 PM
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You need to make up your mind about that. You used to blame me for all of them.
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#502988 - 01-26-10 11:39 AM
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I wrote a note to cb a couple of months ago, listing four hoaxes he perpetrated on Palin that I found.
You, Gorelost, had a lot more than that.
Don't worry, Gorelost, you're still the king of fraud on CG.
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#504276 - 01-29-10 09:15 PM
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Climate chief of the UN knew about the falsity of the claim that the Himalyan glaciers would melt by 2035.
-He found out in November, 2009.
-He lied, and claimed he only found out mid-January.
Climate chief was told of false glacier claims before Copenhagen
Ben Webster, Environment Editor
The chairman of the leading climate change watchdog was informed that claims about melting Himalayan glaciers were false before the Copenhagen summit, The Times has learnt.
Rajendra Pachauri was told that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment that the glaciers would disappear by 2035 was wrong, but he waited two months to correct it. He failed to act despite learning that the claim had been refuted by several leading glaciologists.
The IPCC’s report underpinned the proposals at Copenhagen for drastic cuts in global emissions.
Dr Pachauri, who played a leading role at the summit, corrected the error last week after coming under media pressure. He told The Times on January 22 that he had only known about the error for a few days. He said: “I became aware of this when it was reported in the media about ten days ago. Before that, it was really not made known. Nobody brought it to my attention. There were statements, but we never looked at this 2035 number.”
Asked whether he had deliberately kept silent about the error to avoid embarrassment at Copenhagen, he said: “That’s ridiculous. It never came to my attention before the Copenhagen summit. It wasn’t in the public sphere.”
However, a prominent science journalist said that he had asked Dr Pachauri about the 2035 error last November. Pallava Bagla, who writes for Science journal, said he had asked Dr Pachauri about the error. He said that Dr Pachauri had replied: “I don’t have anything to add on glaciers.”
The Himalayan glaciers are so thick and at such high altitude that most glaciologists believe they would take several hundred years to melt at the present rate. Some are growing and many show little sign of change.
Dr Pachauri had previously dismissed a report by the Indian Government which said that glaciers might not be melting as much as had been feared. He described the report, which did not mention the 2035 error, as “voodoo science”.
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#504440 - 01-30-10 09:21 PM
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Al Gore is not the only one of the climate alarmists who claimed that is OK to lie, as long as it furthers the cause of the climate alarmists' agenda...
Here's Gore's famous quote:
"Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis."
Here's a quote from a Stanford University climate alarmist, making the same claim as Gore:
These are only the latest evidence of a strategy explained by Stanford University professor Steven Schneider, who said, in the nascent days of the global warming movement, that to obtain media coverage and win public opinion, "We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts we might have."
OrangeCountReg
The lesson these alarmists learned is the same one that was learned by the researchers in England:
At all costs :"Hide the Decline"
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#504444 - 01-30-10 10:07 PM
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U.N.'s Global Warming Report Under Fresh Attack for Rainforest Claims
A United Nations report on climate change that has been lambasted for its faulty research is under new attack for yet another instance of what its critics say is sloppy science -- adding to a growing scandal that has undermined the credibility of scientists and policymakers who back the U.N.'s findings about global warming.
In the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), issued in 2007 by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), scientists wrote that 40 percent of the Amazon rainforest in South America was endangered by global warming.
But that assertion was discredited this week when it emerged that the findings were based on numbers from a study by the World Wildlife Federation that had nothing to do with the issue of global warming -- and that was written by a freelance journalist and green activist....
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#504666 - 01-31-10 07:05 PM
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Goshamighty! It seems the frauds keep on coming. How that guy at the UN IPCC keeps his job, with the Himalaya Glacier fraud, the 'increasing frequency and violence of storms' fraud, and now the disappearing Amazon Rain forest fraud is hard to understand..
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#504709 - 02-01-10 12:16 AM
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You forgot to mention the biggest part of the scam: that there hasn't been any global warming during the entire period in which global warming alarmism has erupted upon the political spectrum.
Phebe is probably right. The whole topic will melt (as silently as possible) into the background with not a lot of it's mention at the highest levels of government.
"What global warming"? But the magnitude of the disinformation scam is a profound lesson for all of us. There is no lie too big to succeed, or too big to fail.
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#504713 - 02-01-10 12:34 AM
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I was profoundly impressed the FIRST time it happened, the Ice Age scare in the 1970s.
I learned that scientists will do anything, say anything, to make themselves important, and they fool themselves first.
Science itself is in a decline, I realize, because now it's a huge government-funded business, an economic niche, and getting grants with whatever lies it takes is the only way to stay on top. So, that's what they do!
I've been progressively disillusioned with science over the decades, so I recognized this scam early on. It's an in-group of We Incredibly Smart Scientists against the out-group of the Great Unwashed, and it all got mixed up with the politics of hate, notably George Bush and the war and PC. Good People may only affirm Global Warming; only bad and stupid people disbelieve in it, went the meme.
So they fooled themselves, again; serves them right.
It's still all about overpopulation. They aren't going to be able to talk about that for another ten years, I would guess.
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#504915 - 02-01-10 03:46 PM
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I think this article hits it out-of-the-park. It summarizes how, and why, the politicians and the scientists were caught hyping the data, and especially hyping the conclusions from the data.
Climate alarmism is dead.
The Death of Global Warming
The global warming movement as we have known it is dead. Its health had been in steady decline during the last year as the once robust hopes for a strong and legally binding treaty to be agreed upon at the Copenhagen Summit faded away. By the time that summit opened, campaigners were reduced to hoping for a ‘politically binding’ agreement to be agreed that would set the stage for the rapid adoption of the legally binding treaty. After the failure of the summit to agree to even that much, the movement went into a rapid decline.
The movement died from two causes: bad science and bad politics.
After years in which global warming activists had lectured everyone about the overwhelming nature of the scientific evidence, it turned out that the most prestigious agencies in the global warming movement were breaking laws, hiding data, and making inflated, bogus claims resting on, in some cases, no scientific basis at all. This latest story in the London Times is yet another shocker; the IPCC’s claims that the rainforests were going to disappear as a result of global warming are as bogus and fraudulent as its claims that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035. It seems as if a scare story could grab a headline, the IPCC simply didn’t care about whether it was reality-based.[i.e., the Global Warming Movement bought into Al Gore's thesis lock, stock and barrel, that "it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is"
With this in mind, ‘climategate’ — the scandal over hacked emails by prominent climate scientists — looks sinister rather than just unsavory. The British government has concluded that University of East Anglia, home of the research institute that provides the global warming with much of its key data, had violated Britain’s Freedom of Information Act when scientists refused to hand over data so that critics could check their calculations and methods. Breaking the law to hide key pieces of data isn’t just ’science as usual,’ as the global warming movement’s embattled defenders gamely tried to argue. A cover-up like that suggests that you indeed have something to conceal.
The urge to make the data better than it was didn’t just come out of nowhere. The global warmists were trapped into the necessity of hyping the threat by their realization that the actual evidence they had — which, let me emphasize, all hype aside, is serious, troubling and establishes in my mind the need for intensive additional research and investigation, as well as some prudential steps that would reduce CO2 emissions by enhancing fuel use efficiency and promoting alternative energy sources — was not sufficient to get the world’s governments to do what they thought needed to be done.
Hyping the threat increasingly doesn’t look like an accident: it looks like it was a conscious political strategy.
[b]Now it has failed. Not everything that has come out of the IPCC and the East Anglia Climate Unit is false, but enough of their product is sufficiently tainted that these institutions can best serve the cause of fighting climate change by stepping out of the picture. New leadership might help, but everything these two agencies have done will now have to be re-checked by independent and objective sources.
The global warming campaigners got into this mess because they had a deeply flawed political strategy. They were never able to develop a pragmatic approach that could reach its goals in the context of the existing international system. The global warming movement proposed a complex set of international agreements involving vast transfers of funds, intrusive regulations in national economies, and substantial changes to the domestic political economies of most countries on the planet. As it happened, the movement never got to the first step — it never got the world’s countries to agree to the necessary set of treaties, transfers and policies that would constitute, at least on paper, a program for achieving its key goals.
Even if that first step had been reached, the second and third would almost surely not have been. The United States Congress is unlikely to pass the kind of legislation these agreements would require before the midterm elections, much less ratify a treaty. (It takes 67 senate votes to ratify a treaty and only 60 to overcome a filibuster.) After the midterms, with the Democrats expected to lose seats in both houses, the chance of passage would be even more remote — especially as polls show that global warming ranks at or near the bottom of most voters’ priorities. American public opinion supports ‘doing something’ about global warming, but not very much; support for specific measures and sacrifices will erode rapidly as commentators from Fox News and other conservative outlets endlessly hammer away. Without a commitment from the United States to pay its share of the $100 billion plus per year that poor countries wanted as their price for compliance, and without US participation in other aspects of the proposed global approach, the intricate global deals fall apart.
American Interest
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#504970 - 02-01-10 10:05 PM
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Meanwhile China is seriously pressing ahead to get binding commitments and a binding treaty signed in Mexico because the "developing" nations want reparations for climate change caused by the industrialized western nations.
And between the flaws in the science and the aversion to paying reparations the west will of course refuse.
Not that it is on topic but I wanted to post a pic now that details the redistribution of wealth that globalization has come to embody:
Global warming was used as a tool to redistribute wealth. The UN said so in point blank terms in 2001:
As aid from rich countries slides further, a UN independent panel on development financing recently proposed new ways of raising more funds to rescue millions of people from poverty -- most of them in sub-Saharan Africa. In 1999, donor countries gave just $12 bn to the region as official development assistance (ODA), $6 bn less than they gave in 1995. Such aid, even at its peak, fell far short of the continent's needs.
The panel, chaired by former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, was set up by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to identify innovative methods for raising the estimated $50 bn needed yearly to implement the UN's commitments to poverty reduction and sustainable growth in developing countries. Its recommendations will be considered by the UN conference on financing for development, to be held in Monterrey, Mexico, in March 2002.
Among the proposals are taxes on the consumption of fossil fuels and on international currency transactions. The panel urges new ways to boost aid and investment flows to poor countries, and to assist countries raise funds from within their own economies through better political and economic management, including by improving their ability to collect domestic taxes. Such efforts would be supported by the establishment of an international tax organization and the holding of a summit that would address problems arising from globalization, the panel stated.
Members agreed that reversing the widening and "shameful" gap between rich and poor countries "is the pre-eminent moral and humanitarian challenge of our age." And sub-Saharan Africa, they noted, should be a priority. "Nowhere is a global commitment to poverty reduction needed more than in this region. Sub-Saharan Africa has the largest proportion of people living on less than one dollar a day, and indeed, its people are almost as poor as they were 20 years ago."...
The Zedillo panel also proposed a tax on the consumption of fossil fuels. Support for such a "carbon tax" has been growing since the 1992 UN Earth Summit focused international attention on the damage to the environment caused by excessive use of fossil fuels worldwide. The release of greenhouse gases, mainly carbon dioxide from fossil fuels, contributes to global warming and climate change.
The main energy sources that would be affected by a carbon tax include coal, petroleum, kerosene and natural gas. The tax would be reflected in an increase in their price, at a level based on the capacity of each type of fuel to emit carbon dioxide. The higher the carbon content, the higher the minimum tax rate. The tax would likely be collected by fuel vendors. Implementation would not be difficult since many countries already impose taxes on fossil fuels. An additional carbon tax, the panel hoped, should encourage consumers to shift to lower or non carbon-emitting sources of energy, such as hydro-power, solar energy and wind power.
The panel gave no estimates of how much a carbon tax could generate. Industrial countries would agree to release their carbon tax revenue to international organizations funding global public goods. Developing countries would invest their proceeds in their own economies, enabling them to increase public spending.
http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/vol15no4/154finan.htm
The UN hijacked global warming as a mechanism to promote redistribution of wealth. They openly admitted as much. And they bent the science to serve that purpose when the evidence didn't support the requisite threat that would mobilize the world to accept such a tax.
Science doesn't lie, people lie. Almost as often as they speak.
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#504982 - 02-02-10 12:45 AM
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A new scandal has turned up in the 'scientific' study of climate.
Why is it, whenever fraud, missing (CRU) or questionable data (China), odd choices of temperature stations (Darwin, Australia), invented hockey stick graphs, etc., the result is ALWAYS to overstate the current temperatures, or understate the prior temperatures (hide the decline) and never err on the other side of the equation?
As quoted above: "Hyping the threat increasingly doesn’t look like an accident: it looks like it was a conscious political strategy."
From the Guardian(UK)...
"A series of measurements from Chinese weather stations were seriously flawed and that documents relating to them could not be produced.
Jones and a collaborator have been accused by a climate change sceptic and researcher of scientific fraud for attempting to suppress data that could cast doubt on a key 1990 study on the effect of cities on warming – a hotly contested issue."
Today the Guardian reveals how Jones withheld the information requested under freedom of information laws. Subsequently a senior colleague told him he feared that Jones's collaborator, Wei-Chyung Wang of the University at Albany, had "screwed up".
The apparent attempts to cover up problems with temperature data from the Chinese weather stations provide the first link between the email scandal and the UN's embattled climate science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, as a paper based on the measurements was used to bolster IPCC statements about rapid global warming in recent decades.
Wang was cleared of scientific fraud by his university, but new information brought to light today indicates at least one senior colleague had serious concerns about the affair.
It also emerges that documents which Wang claimed would exonerate him and Jones did not exist."
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#505274 - 02-02-10 10:03 PM
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I think this editorial summarizes the feelings of a lot of people - we've been had...
Editor's Page: May Cooler Heads Prevail
Climate-change scientists—so serious, so sincere, so ... scandalous?
"Because of manmade global warming, I warned in 1996, that “sea levels could rise as much as three feet by the year 2100 … warming can lead to hotter and more frequent heat waves … stronger and more frequent hurricanes to Hawai‘i … endanger native plants species [and] coral reefs.” These dire predictions came from the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Researchers at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia provide much of the IPCC’s analysis and predictions. In November 2009, hackers released thousands of e-mails from the CRU, going back years, and it is these e-mails that reveal the very unscientific, unethical activities I described above.
I feel I’ve been had.
One thing I could not have known in 1996 was that the IPCC’s warming predictions would be wrong. Mean global surface temperatures have not risen since 1998, and, by some measures, have dropped since 2001. The CRU e-mails show scientists trying to hide this decline, to give one detail—I don’t have room in this column to detail the extent of CRU’s shenanigans, nor could I tell the story as well as others, so please read this “Editor’s Page” online for links (see below).
This doesn’t necessarily mean manmade global warming is disproven. But it does deflate the certainty and moral righteousness of the Al Gores and the IPCCs of the world. At Copenhagen and in Congress, politicians have proposed massive disruptions to our economies and lifestyles in the name of halting global warming. It turns out they’ve been doing so, at least partly, with books that have been cooked more than the planet.
Honolulu Magazine
Whenever mistakes have been made they are ALWAYS in the direction of overstating current temperatures, and/or understating previous temperatures. Does ANYONE think this is just a random result?
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#505320 - 02-03-10 08:23 AM
"Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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It's not the crime, it's the cover-up that brings someone down...
"Climategate just gets more interesting all the time doesn't it? The Guardian is reporting that the Climatic Research Unit (the U.K. research group at the center of the Climategate affair) has somehow lost critical temperature data again, in this case data from Chinese weather stations that are supposed to prove that the urban heat island effect accounts for a neglible portion of the warming trend found in temperature records. The abstract for the study published in 1990 in Nature reads:
Records of hemispheric average temperatures from land regions for the past 100 years provide crucial input to the debate over global warming. Despite careful use of the basic station data in some of these compilations of hemispheric temperature, there have been suggestions that a proportion of the 0.5 °C warming seen on a century timescale may be related to urbanization influences—local warming caused by the effects of urban development. We examine here an extensive set of rural-station temperature data for three regions of the world: European parts of the Soviet Union, eastern Australia and eastern China. When combined with similar analyses for the contiguous United States, the results are representative of 20% of the land area of the Northern Hemisphere and 10% of the Southern Hemisphere. The results show that the urbanization influence in two of the most widely used hemispheric data sets is, at most, an order of magnitude less than the warming seen on a century timescale.
The Guardian notes:
But many climate sceptics did not believe the claim. They were convinced that the urban effect was much bigger, even though it might not change the overall story of global warming too much. After all, two-thirds of the planet is covered by ocean, and the oceans are warming, too.
But when Jones turned down requests from them to reveal details about the location of the 84 Chinese weather stations used in the study, arguing that it would be "unduly burdensome", they concluded that he was covering up the error..."
Reason
Again, another example of the errors made by climate "scientists" and climate alarmists: all 'mistakes' are made in ONE DIRECTION: increase recent temperatures, or reduce prior temperatures.
HIDE THE DECLINE.
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#506679 - 02-06-10 02:40 PM
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An article in the Spectator(UK) gives credit where it's due...
"Journalists are wont to moan that the slow death of newspapers will mean a disastrous loss of investigative reporting. The web is all very well, they say, but who will pay for the tenacious sniffing newshounds to flush out the real story? ‘Climategate’ proves the opposite to be true. It was amateur bloggers who scented the exaggerations, distortions and corruptions in the climate establishment; whereas newspaper reporters, even after the scandal broke, played poodle to their sources....
...Despite 20 years of being told they were not just factually but morally wrong, of being compared to Holocaust deniers, of being told they deserved to be tried for crimes against humanity, of being avoided at parties, climate sceptics seem to be growing in number and confidence by the day. What is the difference?
In a word, the internet."
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#506723 - 02-06-10 07:22 PM
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The reason it took bloggers to do all of this is that it is a non-issue and no real journalist cared.. Have you bothered to look into the details or are you still masturbating to the headlines?
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#506729 - 02-06-10 09:09 PM
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The general term "ice age" or, more precisely, "glacial age" denotes a geological period of long-term reduction in the temperature of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in an expansion of continental ice sheets, polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers. An ice age is a natural system. Within a long-term ice age, individual pulses of extra cold climate are termed "glacial periods" (or alternatively "glacials" or "glaciations"), and intermittent warm periods are called "interglacials". Glaciologically, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres;[1] by this definition we are still in the ice age that began at the start of the Pleistocene (because the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets still exist).[2]
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#506734 - 02-06-10 09:55 PM
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I thought this was the dawning of the age of Aquarius.
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#506735 - 02-06-10 10:13 PM
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There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth's past. Outside these ages, the Earth seems to have been ice-free even in high latitudes....
An ice sheet on Antarctica began to grow some 20 million years ago. The current ice age, the Pliocene-Quaternary glaciation, started about 2.58 million years ago. during the late Pliocene when the spread of ice sheets in the Northern Hemisphere began. Since then, the world has seen cycles of glaciation with ice sheets advancing and retreating on 40,000- and 100,000-year time scales called glacials (glacial advance) and interglacials (glacial retreat). The earth is currently in an interglacial, and the last glacial period ended about 10,000 years ago. All that remains of the continental ice sheets are the Greenland, Antarctic ice sheets and smaller glaciers such as on Baffin Island.
The Earth has been in an interglacial period known as the Holocene for more than 11,000 years. It was conventional wisdom that "the typical interglacial period lasts about 12,000 years," but this has been called into question recently. For example, an article in Nature[29] argues that the current interglacial might be most analogous to a previous interglacial that lasted 28,000 years. Predicted changes in orbital forcing suggest that the next glacial period would begin at least 50,000 years from now, even in absence of human-made global warming [30] (see Milankovitch cycles). Moreover, anthropogenic forcing from increased greenhouse gases might outweigh orbital forcing for as long as intensive use of fossil fuels continues[31]. At a meeting of the American Geophysical Union (December 17, 2008), scientists detailed evidence in support of the controversial idea that the introduction of large-scale rice agriculture in Asia, coupled with extensive deforestation in Europe began to alter world climate by pumping significant amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere over the last 1,000 years. In turn, a warmer atmosphere heated the oceans making them much less efficient storehouses of carbon dioxide and reinforcing global warming, possibly forestalling the onset of a new glacial age.[
gee, that's what I have been saying since 1998.
The geological record appears to show that ice ages start when the continents are in positions which block or reduce the flow of warm water from the equator to the poles and thus allow ice sheets to form...
There are three known configurations of the continents which block or reduce the flow of warm water from the equator to the poles:
* A continent sits on top of a pole, as Antarctica does today.
* A polar sea is almost land-locked, as the Arctic Ocean is today.
* A supercontinent covers most of the equator, as Rodinia did during the Cryogenian period.
Since today's Earth has a continent over the South Pole and an almost land-locked ocean over the North Pole, geologists believe that Earth will continue to endure glacial periods in the geologically near future.
Some scientists believe that the Himalayas are a major factor in the current ice age, because these mountains have increased Earth's total rainfall and therefore the rate at which CO2 is washed out of the atmosphere, decreasing the greenhouse effect.
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#506737 - 02-06-10 10:19 PM
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Some scientists believe that the Himalayas are a major factor in the current ice age, because these mountains have increased Earth's total rainfall and therefore the rate at which CO2 is washed out of the atmosphere, decreasing the greenhouse effect.
Not to mention itsy bitsy spiders.
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