#506741 - 02-06-10 10:44 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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The last glaciation centered on the huge ice sheets of North America and Eurasia. Considerable areas in the Alps, the Himalaya and the Andes were ice-covered, and Antarctica remained glaciated.
Canada was nearly completely covered by ice, as well as the northern part of the USA, both blanketed by the huge Laurentide ice sheet. Alaska remained mostly ice free due to arid climate conditions. Local glaciations existed in the Rocky Mountains, the Cordilleran ice sheet and as ice fields and ice caps in the Sierra Nevada in northern California.[2] In Britain, mainland Europe and northwestern Asia, the Scandinavian ice sheet once again reached the northern parts of the British Isles, Germany, Poland and Russia, extending as far east as the Taimyr Peninsula in western Siberia.[3] Maximum extent of western Siberian glaciation was approximately 18,000 to 17,000 BP and thus later than in Europe (22,000–18,000 BP).[4] Northeastern Siberia was not covered by a continental-scale ice sheet.[5] Instead, large, but restricted, icefield complexes covered mountain ranges within northeast Siberia, including the Kamchatka-Koryak Mountains.[6]
The Arctic Ocean between the huge ice sheets of America and Eurasia was not frozen throughout, but like today probably was only covered by relatively thin ice, subject to seasonal changes and riddled with icebergs calving from the surrounding ice sheets. According to the sediment composition retrieved from deep-sea cores there must even have been times of seasonally open waters.
odd that even during a full on glacial period within an ice age there were still periods in which the Arctic Ocean was largely ice free.
The last glaciation centered on the huge ice sheets of North America and Eurasia. Considerable areas in the Alps, the Himalaya and the Andes were ice-covered, and Antarctica remained glaciated.
Canada was nearly completely covered by ice, as well as the northern part of the USA, both blanketed by the huge Laurentide ice sheet. Alaska remained mostly ice free due to arid climate conditions. Local glaciations existed in the Rocky Mountains, the Cordilleran ice sheet and as ice fields and ice caps in the Sierra Nevada in northern California.[2] In Britain, mainland Europe and northwestern Asia, the Scandinavian ice sheet once again reached the northern parts of the British Isles, Germany, Poland and Russia, extending as far east as the Taimyr Peninsula in western Siberia
But how much ice was that exactly that covered most of Canada and much of the US?
and why were Indonesia and Taiwan covered with ice as well?
Other areas of the Northern Hemisphere did not bear extensive ice sheets but local glaciers in high areas. Parts of Taiwan for example were repeatedly glaciated between 44,250 and 10,680 BP[13] as well as the Japanese Alps. In both areas maximum glacier advance occurred between 60,000 and 30,000 BP.[14] To a still lesser extent glaciers existed in Africa, for example in the High Atlas, the mountains of Morocco, the Mount Atakor massif in southern Algeria and several mountains in Ethiopia. In the Southern Hemisphere, an ice cap of several hundred square kilometers was present on the east African mountains in the Kilimanjaro Massif, Mount Kenya and the Ruwenzori Mountains, still bearing remnants of glaciers today.[15]
Glaciation of the Southern Hemisphere was less extensive because of current configuration of continents. Ice sheets existed in the Andes (Patagonian Ice Sheet), where six glacier advances between 33,500 and 13,900 BP in the Chilean Andes have been reported.[16] Antarctica was entirely glaciated, much like today, but the ice sheet left no uncovered area. In mainland Australia only a very small area in the vicinity of Mount Kosciuszko was glaciated, whereas in Tasmania glaciation was more widespread.[17] New Zealand saw a glaciation in the New Zealand Alps, where at least three glacier advances can be distinguished.[18] Local ice caps existed in Irian Jaya, Indonesia, where in three ice areas remnants of the Pleistocene glaciers are still preserved today.[19]
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#506774 - 02-07-10 09:13 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gag Reflex
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Gorelost" "The reason it took bloggers to do all of this is that it is a non-issue and no real journalist cared."
You really do have your head stuck up your ass on this, don't you leftard?
If you don't read about it, Gorelost, it doesn't exist - is that your stance?
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#506791 - 02-07-10 10:23 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gag Reflex
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Remember, Gorelost thinks there's no story here, because he would like to believe there's no scandalous activity here.
Wise words:
"...‘climate change’ is not only a scientific scandal but also a massive journalistic failure...
Like all the poodles of the environmental beat, Margot O’Neill repeats those magic words ‘peer review’ every couple of paragraphs like a talisman to ward off evil deniers. But, in the course of invoking the phrase ‘peer review’, she never bothers to look at whether the IPCC actually does it.
By contrast, without benefit of the resources of a national TV news operation plus salary and benefits, lone blogger Donna Laframboise did a couple of text searches on the IPCC report and discovered multiple predictions of doom – on Himalayan glacier melt and much else – resting not on peer-reviewed science but merely on activist groups such as the World Wildlife Fund and Greenpeace.”
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#506797 - 02-07-10 10:44 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gore1FL
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There is no story here because there is no there there.
Once again, you are clinging onto information you want, and disregarding everything else.
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#506801 - 02-07-10 10:50 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gag Reflex
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WTF are you saying, Gorelost? Are you saying I don't believe that CO2 raises the temperature of the earth? Is that another 'sarcastic' remark - i.e., straw man argument?
I believe the earth's climate has been affected by CO2.
I also think the climate alarmists have repeatedly lied, exaggerated and created hysteria about the severity of the problem, and two of them have admitted it (Nobel Prize winner Gore, and a climate scientist from Stanford)...
Gore: "Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis."
Stanford University professor Steven Schneider: "We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts we might have."
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#506806 - 02-07-10 10:54 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gore1FL
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If you believe the science, why do you grasp at anything that allows you to dismiss the data?
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#506818 - 02-07-10 11:00 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gag Reflex
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I don't dismiss the data - I dismiss the warped conclusions - which are mostly leftist political ideology and not based on the data. I think the conclusions are bent by a political need for unnecessary government action.
I think Al Gore is an enemy of mankind: getting rich off his lies.
Do you think it is a coincidence that ALL 'mistakes' are always made in one direction... higher current temperatures/lower previous temperatures, and resistance to natural causes of temperature variations.
Do you think it's a coincidence that none of the data for the CRU AGW study exists anymore?
Do you think the choice of temperature stations in Australia and China - the one that just happens to favor the growing temperature model (Darwin, Australia) and the ones that just happen to reduce the estimate of the urbanization effect on temperature (China) are coincidences???? Why do you think that other stations were dropped from the model? Were you born yesterday?
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#506827 - 02-07-10 11:16 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gore1FL
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The warped conclusions? Do you mean the conclusions of the arctic ice cap that is melting, or the conclusions of the tidal streams that are actually failing to bring heat to the south pole and ironically causing ice growth in some areas? Perhaps you are referring to the conclusions of the melting glaciers? Maybe you mean the conclusion of the weather patters than have made my hometown significantly mild in the winter over the last couple of decades. Do you mean the conclusions of the oceans whose temperatures have risen?
Twitchy, it seems you are more than happy to dismiss data, and to only grasp conclusions that fit your inexplicable political agenda to deny.
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#506830 - 02-07-10 11:23 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gag Reflex
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No, the Arctic cap is melting, and the Antarctic cap is growing - but that second fact is what you and other alarmists would like to avoid mentioning.
The spin that the alarmists avoid - the Al Gores and James Hansons of the world - is that the Arctic and Greenland melting is localized. We don't know why the Arctic is melting and the Antarctic is getting colder, but the alarmists need to "HIDE THE DECLINE" so they don't mention the Antarctic.
I don't dismiss data - I dismiss the sick, politically-driven conclusions you and others make about things like the Arctic melting.
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#506839 - 02-07-10 11:30 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gore1FL
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No, the Arctic cap is melting, and the Antarctic cap is growing - but that second fact is waht you and other alarmists would like to avoid mentioning.
I did mention it, actually. I explained why, too. I also linked to the explanation in one of the 500 global warming threads.
The spin that the alarmists avoid - the Al Gores and James Hansons of the world - is that the Arctic and Greenland melting is localized. We don't know why the Arctic is melting and the Antarctic is getting colder, but the alarmists need to "HIDE THE DECLINE" so they don't mention the Antarctic.
Ummm Yes we do... 1> One is sitting on land, one isn't. 2> The excess fresh water from the north is disrupting the oceans streams.
I don't dismiss data - I dismiss the sick, politically-driven conclusions you and others make about things like the Arctic melting.
Because in your world, the rising ocean temperature couldn't have anything to do with the ice in it melting...
Twitchy, you are laughable.
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#506855 - 02-07-10 11:41 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gorelost: "I did mention it (growth of Antarctic Ice), actually. I explained why, too."
Then why did you ONLY mention the Arctic melting, not the Antarctic temperature reduction, in your post above. You're the same as the other alarmists: you mention "only" the facts that support your required conclusion. You leave out the science that doesn't support those conclusions. You're a climate alarmist, i.e. liar.
If you were interested in "facts" or "data" you would have mentioned both temperature changes. Why did you ONLY mention the rising temps in the North Pole, and conveniently forget the lowering temps at the South Pole? Let me offer you an answer: like all climate alarmists, you exaggerate the problem to draw the reader to your conclusion. ALARM!!!!!
Think about it, Lietard: why did you mention the Arctic melting if you knew it was localized and not a symptom of "global" warming?
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#506858 - 02-07-10 11:43 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gore1FL
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Gorelost: "I did mention it (growth of Antarctic Ice), actually. I explained why, too."
Then why did you ONLY mention the Arctic melting, not the Antarctic temperature reduction, in your post above.
You mean like this?
or the conclusions of the tidal streams that are actually failing to bring heat to the south pole and ironically causing ice growth in some areas?
What is wrong, Twitchy, having trouble reading, or do you just ignore what I write like you ignore data?
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#506860 - 02-07-10 11:44 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Twitchy, Twitchy, Twitchy, Twitchy, Twitchy.... It must be hard to get pwned so often.
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#506865 - 02-07-10 11:50 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Here's another one of those alarmists, Gorleost, wishing they hadn't consumed so much of the Kool-Aid:
"In Virginia, the weather also has changed dramatically. Recently arrived residents in the northern suburbs, accustomed to today's anemic winters, might find it astonishing to learn that there were once ski runs on Ballantrae Hill in McLean, with a rope tow and local ski club. Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don't own a sled. But neighbors came to our home at Hickory Hill nearly every winter weekend to ride saucers and Flexible Flyers.
In those days, I recall my uncle, President Kennedy, standing erect as he rode a toboggan in his top coat, never faltering until he slid into the boxwood at the bottom of the hill. Once, my father, Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, brought a delegation of visiting Eskimos home from the Justice Department for lunch at our house. They spent the afternoon building a great igloo in the deep snow in our backyard. My brothers and sisters played in the structure for several weeks before it began to melt. On weekend afternoons, we commonly joined hundreds of Georgetown residents for ice skating on Washington's C&O Canal, which these days rarely freezes enough to safely skate.
Meanwhile, Exxon Mobil and its carbon cronies continue to pour money into think tanks whose purpose is to deceive the American public into believing that global warming is a fantasy."
RFK, Jr. in LA Times
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#506873 - 02-07-10 12:03 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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OMG! Does Gore still believe in that global warming hoax?
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#506883 - 02-07-10 12:53 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gore1FL
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There is no hoax to believe it.
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#506917 - 02-07-10 08:17 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Gag Reflex
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Yes, Gorelost still believes in the Climate scare hoax.
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#506935 - 02-07-10 10:19 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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That's because he's f-ing nutz!
We are in an ice age. The earth WILL be covered with ice sheets again that may again extend as far south as St Louis if something isn't done to abort the cycle. Ice sheets up to 2 miles deep, and up to a mile deep as far south as Seattle.
There is absolutely NO reason to fear warming.
There is every reason to fear cooling.
And GORON can't yet rationalize why the earth hasn't warmed in 12 years even tho CO2 has surpassed the alleged safe threshold of 350 PPM.
The answer is that CO2 isn't the only climate driver, it is just one of 6-7. And CO2 emissions aren't the only aspect to the CO2 equation. There may be a dozen dynamic components to CO2 cycles that may enhance or reduce atmospheric CO2 levels that we yet know very little about.
For one the volume of CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels has not been reflected in the atmospheric content of CO2. Why has the ocean absorbed much more CO2 than we expected?
Besides CO2 levels have historically been 5 -20 times greater than they are today with no net harm done to the Earth's ecosystem.
Science never has supported alarmism over very mild warming. ONLY very mild warming has prevented us from being overcome by glacial devastation. As has been the dominant trend for 2.8 million years.
Only science fiction supports global warming alarmism.
Goron is a science fictionalist. That's why he wants to duplicate the manned moon mission even tho we are beyond broke and borrowing 40% of our federal budget.
GORON lives in a fantasy in which it doesn't matter whether we can afford a personal pork project. It only matters that HE wants it. Never mind the fact that we have been there, done that.
GORON wants another pink pony.
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#506951 - 02-07-10 11:23 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Goron is a science fictionalist. That's why he wants to duplicate the manned moon mission even tho we are beyond broke and borrowing 40% of our federal budget.
Who knew that He-3 was science fiction...
LC, you are as bad as Twitchy.
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#507231 - 02-08-10 10:58 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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This is the hoax that Gorelost believes in...
"Britain's Met Office says the world is on a path towards a potential increase in global temperatures of 4 degrees as early as 2060. If this occurs, only about half a billion people out of about 9 billion will survive, according to Professor Kevin Anderson, director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate change and adviser to the British government."
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#508597 - 02-13-10 09:50 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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#508609 - 02-13-10 10:17 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Goron is a science fictionalist. That's why he wants to duplicate the manned moon mission even tho we are beyond broke and borrowing 40% of our federal budget.
Who knew that He-3 was science fiction...
I hope you saw "Moon," then, Gore. It's out on Netflix now. Sam Rockwell, wonderful sci-fi about a single man harvesting Helium-three on the moon, which is thrown down the gravity well a couple times a week whenever the automatic harvesters fill a container, and it supplies 70% of the power used on Earth!
Then trouble occurs...............
Excellent plot, great performance.
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#508631 - 02-13-10 10:53 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Catz
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Don't leave me hanging, Phebe.
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#508831 - 02-13-10 10:33 PM
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Climate scientists admit fresh error over data on rising sea levels
Latest embarrassment comes as key sceptic Benny Peiser backs down in row over fabricated quote
Climate experts have been forced to admit another embarrassing error in their most recent report on the threat of climate change.
In a background note – released by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) last night – the UN group said its 2007 report wrongly stated that 55% of the Netherlands lies below sea level. In fact, only 26% of the country does. The figure used by the IPCC included all areas in the country that are prone to flooding, including land along rivers above sea level. This accounts for 29% of the Dutch countryside.
"The sea-level statistic was used for background information only, and the updated information remains consistent with the overall conclusions," the IPCC note states. Nevertheless, the admission is likely to intensify claims by sceptics that the IPCC work is riddled with sloppiness.
The disclosure will intensify divisions between scientists and sceptics over the interpretation of statistics and the use of sources for writing climate change reports, disagreements that have led to apologies being made by both sides of the debate. Last week a key climate-change sceptic apologised for alleging that one of the world's leading meteorologists had deliberately exaggerated the dangers of global warming.
In an email debate in the Observer, Benny Peiser, head of the UK Global Warming Policy Foundation, quoted Sir John Houghton, the UK scientist who played a key role in establishing the IPCC, as saying that "unless we announce disasters, no one will listen".
But in a letter to the Observer, Houghton said: "The quote from me is without foundation. I have never said it or written it. Although it has spread on the internet like wild fire, I do not know its origin. In fact, I have frequently argued the opposite, namely that those who make such statements are not only wrong but counterproductive."
Houghton said he was incensed because he believed the quote attributed to him, and to the IPCC, an attitude of hype and exaggeration and demanded an apology from Peiser.
For his part, Peiser told the Observer that he welcomed the clarification. "For many years, the Houghton 'quote' has been published in numerous books and articles. I took Sir John's failure to challenge it hitherto as a tacit admission that the 'quote' was accurate and reflected his view on climate policy. Now that he has publicly disowned the statement, I will certainly refrain from using it."
Houghton's "quote" has become one of the most emblematic remarks supposed to have been made by a mainstream scientist about global warming, and appears on almost two million web pages concerned with climate change. The fact that it now turns out to be fabricated has delighted scientists.
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#508832 - 02-13-10 10:43 PM
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But wait, that's not all. There is this little number:
World may not be warming, say scientists
The United Nations climate panel faces a new challenge with scientists casting doubt on its claim that global temperatures are rising inexorably because of human pollution.
In its last assessment the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said the evidence that the world was warming was “unequivocal”.
It warned that greenhouse gases had already heated the world by 0.7C and that there could be 5C-6C more warming by 2100, with devastating impacts on humanity and wildlife. However, new research, including work by British scientists, is casting doubt on such claims. Some even suggest the world may not be warming much at all.
“The temperature records cannot be relied on as indicators of global change,” said John Christy, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville(yes that same one!), a former lead author on the IPCC.
The doubts of Christy and a number of other researchers focus on the thousands of weather stations around the world, which have been used to collect temperature data over the past 150 years.
These stations, they believe, have been seriously compromised by factors such as urbanisation, changes in land use and, in many cases, being moved from site to site.
Christy has published research papers looking at these effects in three different regions: east Africa, and the American states of California and Alabama.
“The story is the same for each one,” he said. “The popular data sets show a lot of warming but the apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development.”
The IPCC faces similar criticisms from Ross McKitrick, professor of economics at the University of Guelph, Canada, who was invited by the panel to review its last report.
The experience turned him into a strong critic and he has since published a research paper questioning its methods.
“We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the IPCC’s climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialisation and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias,” he said.
Such warnings are supported by a study of US weather stations co-written by Anthony Watts, an American meteorologist and climate change sceptic.
His study, which has not been peer reviewed, is illustrated with photographs of weather stations in locations where their readings are distorted by heat-generating equipment.
Some are next to air- conditioning units or are on waste treatment plants. One of the most infamous shows a weather station next to a waste incinerator.
Watts has also found examples overseas, such as the weather station at Rome airport, which catches the hot exhaust fumes emitted by taxiing jets.
In Britain, a weather station at Manchester airport was built when the surrounding land was mainly fields but is now surrounded by heat-generating buildings.
Terry Mills, professor of applied statistics and econometrics at Loughborough University, looked at the same data as the IPCC. He found that the warming trend it reported over the past 30 years or so was just as likely to be due to random fluctuations as to the impacts of greenhouse gases. Mills’s findings are to be published in Climatic Change, an environmental journal.
“The earth has gone through warming spells like these at least twice before in the last 1,000 years,” he said.
Kevin Trenberth, a lead author of the chapter of the IPCC report that deals with the observed temperature changes, said he accepted there were problems with the global thermometer record but these had been accounted for in the final report.
“It’s not just temperature rises that tell us the world is warming,” he said. “We also have physical changes like the fact that sea levels have risen around five inches since 1972, the Arctic icecap has declined by 40% and snow cover in the northern hemisphere has declined.”
The European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts has recently issued a new set of global temperature readings covering the past 30 years, with thermometer readings augmented by satellite data.
Dr Vicky Pope, head of climate change advice at the Met Office, said: “This new set of data confirms the trend towards rising global temperatures and suggest that, if anything, the world is warming even more quickly than we had thought.”
Surface temperature records: policy driven deception? - a report by Joseph D’Aleo and Anthony Watts
Hats off to PL who has been posting this info for years. I only considered this interesting in that a former author of the IPCC reports is leading this message.
I almost get the feeling as tho the scientific community who drummed up the fictional global warming alarmism mantra has been issued new orders and their first mission objective is to disassemble the myriad fictions that supported the global warming mythos.
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#508835 - 02-14-10 12:19 AM
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I almost get the feeling as tho the scientific community who drummed up the fictional global warming alarmism mantra has been issued new orders and their first mission objective is to disassemble the myriad fictions that supported the global warming mythos.
Sure it has received new orders! Obama is now in office, not Bush, and the global warming scam was mostly a "get Bush." They don't want Obama to be inconvenienced by plunging the world into worse financial disaster if anyone happened to take the nonsense seriously.
So the orders have gone out: Never mind, now that Bush is gone.
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#508839 - 02-14-10 12:38 AM
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That may be true. It will take months before the progressive demographic gets it tho. And the MSM, and the many scientists who are hooked by it.
But you may be right. Now that China and the developing nations want reparations, it's all over.
Odd thing is that ALL of the global warming climate data neatly supports the Montreal Protocol and it's renunciation of the ozone depleting gases, most of which are far more potent greenhouse gases than CO2. Odds are very good that global warming was caused by emissions already curtailed a decade ago.
In fact Jim Hansen himself said the same thing in testimony before congress.
The scientific community did us a huge service in demanding the curtailment of CFC emissions. We would all have died of cancer had they not. Well half of us anyway.
Then they tried to duplicate that success as a funding scheme for the UN.
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#508843 - 02-14-10 12:44 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Phebe
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Yes, I haven't forgotten your interesting point about this REALLY all being a money redistribution scheme by the UN.
It certainly jibes with the really impressive number of lying papers written by the UN committee in charge of all this -- the vanishing glaciers and all the other myths that were apparently simple lies ordered up in gross lots for the purpose of talking rich countries out of foreign aid.
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#508846 - 02-14-10 12:52 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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loosecannon
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It is probably time to downsize the UN to just the security council and an advisory board from 159 other nations. Maybe add a rotating crop of 5 other nations to the SC. But their work at income redistribution should end.
The next superpower nation is still busy asking for handouts.
Fuck that.
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#508874 - 02-14-10 08:57 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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The IPCC (refernced above) is not alone in thinking the world is not getting warmer... and the source of the data turns out be an absent-minded professor...
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
By Jonathan Petre
The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.
Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.
Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.
The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.
Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.
Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.
The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions.
Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of ‘scientific fraud’ for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics.
Discussing the interview, the BBC’s environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying.
Daily Mail
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#508883 - 02-14-10 09:38 AM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Another climate scientist says the data are worthless...
World may not be warming, say scientists
“The temperature records cannot be relied on as indicators of global change,” said John Christy, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, a former lead author on the IPCC.
The doubts of Christy and a number of other researchers focus on the thousands of weather stations around the world, which have been used to collect temperature data over the past 150 years.
These stations, they believe, have been seriously compromised by factors such as urbanisation, changes in land use and, in many cases, being moved from site to site.
Christy has published research papers looking at these effects in three different regions: east Africa, and the American states of California and Alabama.
“The story is the same for each one,” he said. “The popular data sets show a lot of warming but the apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development.”
The IPCC faces similar criticisms from Ross McKitrick, professor of economics at the University of Guelph, Canada, who was invited by the panel to review its last report.
The experience turned him into a strong critic and he has since published a research paper questioning its methods.
“We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the IPCC’s climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialisation and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias,” he said.
Times(UK)
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#508917 - 02-14-10 11:16 AM
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Gore1FL
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That's funny. The argument that the temperature readings are assumed to be wrong because human interventions such as urbanization, and changes in land use may have effected them
Well Duh--that's pretty much the argument as to why the earth is actually warming.
Did the article go on to explain why the oceans are warmer?
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#508922 - 02-14-10 11:43 AM
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Another climate scientist says the data are worthless...
World may not be warming, say scientists
I posted this article and quote last night Gag. Thanks for posting the admissions of Prof Jones. I guess he is conceding the point and admitting that he isn't going to produce data to support the hockey stick model.
I wonder if he will now be discredited and blackballed. A claim that supporters of the peer review process always claim as the downside to being caught presenting bad science.
It makes a lot of sense for the scientific community to purge the whole lot of global warming alarmists, because otherwise the profession itself loses credibility with the public and the government.
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#508982 - 02-14-10 01:01 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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That's funny. The argument that the temperature readings are assumed to be wrong because human interventions such as urbanization, and changes in land use may have effected them
Well Duh--that's pretty much the argument as to why the earth is actually warming.
Did the article go on to explain why the oceans are warmer?
Doesn't Professor Phil Jones' statements that the world has not warmed over the last 15 years and that the world was warmer in medieval times at least cause you to consider that the exeistence of AGW might not be settled science or do you have too much invested in your blind faith in AGW?
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#508989 - 02-14-10 01:07 PM
Re: "Settled" science is a contradiction in terms
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Phebe
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[quote=Gag Reflex]Another climate scientist says the data are
I posted this article and quote last night Gag. Thanks for posting the admissions of Prof Jones. I guess he is conceding the point and admitting that he isn't going to produce data to support the hockey stick model.
Yep, good analysis: Oh, I'm just so MESSY! I can't find anything around this place; what's under that chair over there? No?
Well, darn, I just can't FIND the data that underlie the dramatic hockey stick graph I perverted science with for so many years!
[Because I drew it freehand....]
I wonder if he will now be discredited and blackballed. A claim that supporters of the peer review process always claim as the downside to being caught presenting bad science.
It makes a lot of sense for the scientific community to purge the whole lot of global warming alarmists, because otherwise the profession itself loses credibility with the public and the government.
No, I don't think so. Too many people were caught in this and they won't be quick to admit they were damn fools, tricked by con-men. Remember, these are supposed to the The Brightest People On Earth! They cannot possibly admit to being wrong, or they have to give up their Smart People medals.
Science is now about money, not about a special process for finding out what is real, and certainly not about honor. I can remember when it was about both, but then, I've been around science for a very long time. That's gone now. It's all partisan politics now and has been for several years.
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#509026 - 02-14-10 01:35 PM
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I hope it hasn't come to that. That would mean the age of enlightenment is more or less over. At least for the masses.
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#509031 - 02-14-10 01:42 PM
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Phebe
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Wonderful!
Yes, I have been thinking that exact thing for weeks, that the Age of Enlightenment is coming to an end with this sad fall of Science.
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#509033 - 02-14-10 01:46 PM
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loosecannon
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wonderful? What's next?
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#509036 - 02-14-10 01:48 PM
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Phebe
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Well, yes.
Just "wonderful" that you grokked it too, that's all.
Oh, well, "nothing lasts, do your best."
(Last words of the Buddha, according to Alan Watts.)
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#509078 - 02-14-10 02:34 PM
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Gore1FL
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Great depiction of the deniers.
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#509100 - 02-14-10 03:19 PM
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loosecannon
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Well, yes.
Just "wonderful" that you grokked it too, that's all.
Oh, well, "nothing lasts, do your best."
(Last words of the Buddha, according to Alan Watts.)
There are two aspects to the age of enlightenment. One that science and scientific process is the foundation of reason. The second was the necessity of morality in all things. It seems like both are faltering. Tho science is still salvageable, i hope. Morality is really getting ground down.
Society itself is reliant on morality as you pointed out the other day regarding the social contract(s).
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#509217 - 02-14-10 10:50 PM
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Phebe
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I think science is going down for the count. Morality may still be salvageable.
But science is now all about the grant money, sucking on the government teat. Science is preoccupied with political correctness, which is an explicit method to avoid truth at any cost. And science has become enmeshed in the partisan political wars. It is frankly illegal for any member of a science department in most universities to be anything but a far-left Democrat. Well, unless they do the Green Party, if they are still young.
I can remember when science was still honest. But it's been dying for the last two decades. The publishing in the newspapers to get glory, the constant scandals about data fixing, the seesaw of reversals that everyone laughs at --- wine is good for you, wine is bad for you, this is good, the same is bad, science is pretty useless now, and look at this Bishop woman!
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#509218 - 02-14-10 10:57 PM
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Frank
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If you believe the science, why do you grasp at anything that allows you to dismiss the data?
They used "tricks" to "hide the decline" in global mean temps. Their choice of words, not mine.
Great depiction of the deniers.
Hey, you're the one using an ostrich as your avatar, Bucko.
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#509224 - 02-14-10 11:08 PM
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. Do you mean the conclusions of the oceans whose temperatures have risen?
WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren't quite understanding what their robots are telling them.
This is puzzling in part because here on the surface of the Earth, the years since 2003 have been some of the hottest on record. But Josh Willis at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory says the oceans are what really matter when it comes to global warming.
In fact, 80 percent to 90 percent of global warming involves heating up ocean waters. They hold much more heat than the atmosphere can. So Willis has been studying the ocean with a fleet of robotic instruments called the Argo system. The buoys can dive 3,000 feet down and measure ocean temperature. Since the system was fully deployed in 2003, it has recorded no warming of the global oceans.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
Now please wipe the egg off your face and amend your inaccurate post
Edited by ProudLiberal (02-14-10 11:12 PM)
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#509242 - 02-15-10 12:27 AM
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Great depiction of the deniers. Hey, you're the one using an ostrich as your avatar, Bucko.
Bears repeating! Art imitates life!
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#509243 - 02-15-10 12:29 AM
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loosecannon
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I think science is going down for the count. Morality may still be salvageable.
But science is now all about the grant money, sucking on the government teat. Science is preoccupied with political correctness, which is an explicit method to avoid truth at any cost. And science has become enmeshed in the partisan political wars. It is frankly illegal for any member of a science department in most universities to be anything but a far-left Democrat. Well, unless they do the Green Party, if they are still young.
I can remember when science was still honest. But it's been dying for the last two decades. The publishing in the newspapers to get glory, the constant scandals about data fixing, the seesaw of reversals that everyone laughs at --- wine is good for you, wine is bad for you, this is good, the same is bad, science is pretty useless now, and look at this Bishop woman!
OK, that is your POV and who can predict the future. But morality is dead in the USA. It is in a far worse condition than science is. IMO.
I hope science can be salvaged. I have no illusions that morality can be.
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#509248 - 02-15-10 05:17 AM
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Anyone who thinks morality is on the DECLINE in America (regarding government actions), doesn't know the history of legislation in the U.S.
There is mush LESS bribery, extortion, lying, mutual back-scratching and other forms of chicanery than there EVER was.
In addition, the population is far more aware of the issues, and the press is less dishonest than it ever was.
I'm not saying government is as honest as the average citizen - only that it is more honest than ever.
(The exception may be state legislators. I can't imagine a scummier bunch ever populating a legislature than the current politicians in Albany, NY. So, although I'm not as aware of the history on state legislatures, my imagination could not conceive of a more dishonest group of legislators at the state level. )
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#509249 - 02-15-10 05:43 AM
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I think science is going down for the count. Morality may still be salvageable.
I can remember when science was still honest. But it's been dying for the last two decades.
With the strides just in medicine alone and that thing you just used to send your dumbass assertions on should tell you that you are totally full of shit.
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#509392 - 02-15-10 01:28 PM
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DEMOCRATS ARE THE PARTY OF LIES...
AL GORE YOU ARE TOAST
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-organised.html
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#509449 - 02-15-10 02:44 PM
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From the Register's Opinion Page: What to say to a global warming advocate
A quick summary of the scandals surrounding AGW alarmists:
ClimateGate
FOIGate
ChinaGate
HimalayaGate
PachauriGate
PachauriGate II
SternGate
SternGate II
AmazonGate
PeerReviewGate
RussiaGate
Russia-Gate II
U.S.Gate
IceGate
ResearchGate
ReefGate
AfricaGate
DutchGate
AlaskaGate
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