we all head into that long, cold off-season when desperate sports junkies will turn to the Pro Bowling Tour on TV.....

Like I've said so many times before you just can't have enough football threads.

I'll be watching all the pro games this weekend.

I don't like college ball.

It's like war: if they are going to do it at all, I want there to be serious blood in it.

NASCAR starts next month.

Cowboys will beat the Eagles again on the way to winning the Super Bowl. *GAG*

Jets take the Bengals.

NE ekes by Baltimore.

Green Bay takes Arizona.

I still believe the Vikings will make it to the dance.

Caustic, flying a jet fighter is more demanding but I don't hear those guys or gals claiming to be an athlete. The drivers have great stamina but so what? Cooter, I was brought up in the middle of NASCAR country and went to their events, as well as dirt track and small track races, at an early age. I didn't get a thing out of it and preferred baseball and football. I especially can't understand watching it on TV, to me nothing is more boring (with the possible exception of golf on TV). But that is just my opinion of course.

....firemen are great athletes...so are cops.....

.....so is anyone that has upper deck seats at TCU....

how about skiing....or luge or bobsled...???

non athletes????

what about Motocross???

I suppose you dont think bullriders are athletes....

...(dumb athelets for sure...but nonetheless ...they are athletes)

Oh and if you are trying to go the route of "mechanized" motion you can stop that right now. Although I don't watch the sport, I think tour biking people are without a doubt true athletes. I mean seriously, if a dude can pedal a bicycle up and down the frigging Alps he is a stud.

The only one you mentioned that controlled a motorized device was a motocross participant. IMO they aren't athletes, the others are.

then whats the difference between motorized and gravity movement with relationship to athletes????

In a luge or bobsled the people in the vehicle have to make the proper moves at the right times to make the vehicle move faster. If not every vehicle would have the same time for the race wouldn't they? There is so very little difference between the race vehicles that even the slightest movement by a team member would made the difference.

that describes a race car driver to the tee.....

but alas, we will prolly never agree wholley (or holy)